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Old 06-20-2015, 03:01 PM   #1
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Weight your Rig You maybe Surprized

When someone says weight you truck is the only sure way to find out if you are over or not believe him or her. The number put out by truck manufactures and trailer manufactures are suspect.

On paper my Primetime 315RST has pin dry weight of 1953 and dry trailer weight of 9920 lbs and trailer CCC of 2427lbs.

I own a SRW Ford F350 Diesel 4WD 6.5 bed with the yellow tag says 3744 cargo weight.

On paper that gives me a 1791 lbs margin to load my trailer and truck.

So off to the scales and news was not what I expected. My rear axle weight went to 6200 lbs (axle rated at 7180 lbs) and gross truck weight went to 11,200 lbs. Total trailer weight was 11,420 lbs, which is at the top end of 25% rule of thumb for pin weights. I did check the box that put 11,500 GVWR on my title instead of the 10,000lbs of standard F350 or I would have been legally over weight by 1040 lbs instead of 480 lbs CCC still available. .

Dropped the 5th wheel and weight just the truck and got Front Axle 4740 – Rear Axle 3400 for a total of 8220 subtract that from my Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (the max legal weight) and you get a CCC of 3280. That is long ways from the 4190 Ford claims in their brochure and the 3744 on my yellow tag in the truck.

The dealer tried to tell me add this or that would increase the CCC of truck but that just isn’t true. The only way to legally increase your CCC is to increase the GVWR that is listed on your truck title or make the truck lighter (period). Adding options that add additional weight to the truck lowers your CCC. The big advantage of F350 over a F250 is the ability to check a box and get an 11,500 GVWR list on the truck title instead of 10,000 GVWR.

Being a few hundred pounds over GVWR are wheels going to fly or is frame going to break or the axle snap in half– probably not but at some unknown weight that the truck will become unstable and could causes something to fail prematurely. My issue was more legal, I fund a lot of my retirement income and if I was in an accident and smart lawyer discovered I was over weight and sue me it could have big negative affect on my retirement years. There are lawyers that specialize in over weight RV accidents do Google search for “lawyers accidents over weight RVs” and see pages of lawyers willing to take the case to court.
Dennis

PS You figure you CCC by weighing you truck and adding the front axle and rear axle weight together and subtracting it from the GVWR list on your title or on the doors post GVWR sticker. Most new F250 are 10,000lbs and most F350 are between 10,000 and 11,500lbs. The yellow sticker shows the CCC for the day it left the factory and options added to your truck since then lower you CCC.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:36 PM   #2
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Good advice. You see a lot of numbers getting thrown around and folks making purchase decisions based on those published numbers, but in reality, it's really just a game of gross guesstimation.

As a rule of thumb, I generally try to stay 20% under gross on all published weights. It's practically 'fact' that they lie.

Getting your numbers from the actual vehicles yellow stickers will be entirely more accurate, but even then you need to leave in a margin of safety. I think most folks get a pretty good eye opener when they actually get to the scales.

It's a "must do"!
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Know what ours weighs......... just under 21K combined


Why does everyone think or into the myth that dry weight of a camper is important or means something.... The gross weight means a whole lot more.

It is even advertised Dry weight is average and without options. Yellow sticker dry weight is when it leaves the factory usually without propane or a battery. Even Forest Rivers Palomino ads say yellow sticker dry weight is without those things and dealer added options............ That is even before we add our "stuff".

Our advertised dry weight was 9200, yellow sticker 9600, actual with our gear approx 13,500. If I went by dry weight I could have some serious issues. The trailer is still 1000 lbs under gross. Combined Under 21K.

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Old 06-20-2015, 04:56 PM   #4
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Why does everyone think or into the myth that dry weight of a camper is important or means something.... The gross weight means a whole lot more.
It's no myth. It's important because it gives you a baseline comparison against other makes and models during the shopping process and get's you "in the ballpark" when considering TV capabilities. Actual shipping weights of specific units are going to vary by a couple hundred pounds, but it's kind of a drop in the bucket when your considering between dry weights of an 8k rig and a 10k rig with a TV that has a max tow of 11k.

You probably wouldn't waste your time getting yellow tag info off the 10k rigs, right.
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It's no myth. It's important because it gives you a baseline comparison against other makes and models during the shopping process and get's you "in the ballpark" when considering TV capabilities. Actual shipping weights of specific units are going to vary by a couple hundred pounds, but it's kind of a drop in the bucket when your considering between dry weights of an 8k rig and a 10k rig with a TV that has a max tow of 11k.

You probably wouldn't waste your time getting yellow tag info off the 10k rigs, right.
Sorry but no it does not give anything but what it started at........ During the shopping process I want to know gross not empty from the factory........... My 14,500 gross weight of the trailer means more to me than where it started at 9200. I want to know If my truck can pull it loaded at 14500 not if if it can pull it empty at 9200...... Dry weight is not that important.


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Old 06-20-2015, 08:09 PM   #6
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Dry weight is not that important.
What I WILL be towing (dry weight + reasonable cargo allowance), to me anyway, is more important than sizing my TV to match what I am theoretically capable of carrying. Not that gross max isn't important.

As an example: My rig is 3800lbs dry. Cargo capacity is 3500lbs. If I ignore dry weight I am calculating for 7300lbs. IF my TV had a 7000lbs max tow rating then I would either need to look for another TT or upgrade my TV. Realistically, there is no way on God's green earth I am going to be packing 3500lbs of cargo in my trailer. So dry + 2000lbs (very generous allowance) I'm at 5800lbs and WELL within my TV's 7000lb rating.

ALL weights and ratings should be considered carefully and are equally important.

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What I WILL be towing (dry weight + reasonable cargo allowance), to me anyway, is more important than sizing my TV to match what I am theoretically capable of carrying. Not that gross max isn't important.

As an example: My rig is 3800lbs dry. Cargo capacity is 3500lbs. If I ignore dry weight I am calculating for 7300lbs. IF my TV had a 7000lbs max tow rating then I would either need to look for another TT or upgrade my TV. Realistically, there is no way on God's green earth I am going to be packing 3500lbs of cargo in my trailer. So dry + 2000lbs (very generous allowance) I'm at 5800lbs and WELL within my TV's 7000lb rating.

ALL weights and ratings should be considered carefully and are equally important.



Dry weight is only that low once. It gives buyers a false sense of what the trailer will weigh loaded. Personally that's why I feel so many rigs are overloaded because the owners are lured into believing that the dry weight is close to actual weight. Of course the only true important weights are the gross weight that you shouldn't go over & the weight that the scale gives you when you weight it......... Most campers will not allow that much extra capacity for stuff. But our case is a little different & the "gear" can vary greatly but it is usually 3500 lbs. But it can be under 2500 lbs.

I can't remember any of the camper we had in the past giving dry weights. But that was many years back. I know there were no "yellow stickers".

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I can't remember any of the camper we had in the past giving dry weights. But that was many years back. I know there were no "yellow stickers".
They did have white factory weight stickers, that were usually on the inside of a cabinet door.
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When someone says weight you truck is the only sure way to find out if you are over or not believe him or her. The number put out by truck manufactures and trailer manufactures are suspect.
Excellent advice! I suspect many RVing folk out there can relate to your revelations. And, if I may, I'm thinking that you've been thinking that... should have bought a dually.

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They did have white factory weight stickers, that were usually on the inside of a cabinet door.

I'm sure they did. I am not sure when they started or what brands started it. I know our 1973 Terry and our 1988 Terry did not have the stickers.

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