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Old 04-14-2015, 08:38 PM   #51
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Btw, this has been a very helpful thread I wish I had seen when making my considerations a year ago. Everybody's input has been invaluable!
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Old 04-14-2015, 08:59 PM   #52
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The gross weight rating (GVWR)on your truck is the maximum weight your truck is rated to carry. This would have to include all passengers, fuel, cargo, weight on the vehicle from trailer, etc. You would include the tongue weight. So assuming the measured weight of the Excursion with the trailer attached and weight distribution applied is 8700 lbs. You are 500 lbs under (this assumes all passengers, fuel, cargo, etc were included when you weighed the Excursion.
To consider another factor; If you add this number (8700 lbs) to the measured weight of the trailer axles while attached to the hitch with the spring bars loaded you will obtain the Gross combination weight of both the loaded vehicle and trailer. This is another number to consider never exceeding. Your Excursion should show this maximum value as (GCWR).

In my case the total loaded weight of my truck and trailer combined is 14900 lbs. My GCWR is 15500 so I am close, but still under by 600 lbs.

The simple way to obtain this gross combination weight number is to look at the bottom number on the weigh ticket from a CAT scale while fully hooked up.
My GCWR is 20,000 and I am at 16,800 so I am well under this, so I think I am good with the way I have it hooked up. Thanks
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:01 PM   #53
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Btw, this has been a very helpful thread I wish I had seen when making my considerations a year ago. Everybody's input has been invaluable!
You are right! This thread taught me a lot and I want to thank ALL who took the time to help me understand what I thought I never would! This is a GREAT forum!
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:06 PM   #54
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Truck payload is everything in or on the truck (except for a full tank of gas and a 150 pound driver).

While actual tongue load is used to determine hitch load; the distributed tongue load is used when calculating payload. This is because a fraction of the actual tongue load gets shifted to the front and camper axles when the tension is applied to the WD hitch.

I hope you see this or someone else does, where did you get the 150 pound drive from? I read on the some F150 site this is NOT correct! I need a real answer on 150, as that would be perfect for me, I'm splitting hairs with my payload and another 150 would make me sleep better!!!!!!

I'm thinking about sending FORD an email about this!!!!!

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I just read my owner manual and for a 2013 Ford F150 you have to add the driver................






I can't wait for my ROO to come in so I can load it up and go to the scales!!!!!
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Bilcin, my truck is the same. The sum of the GAWRs is more than the GVWR. The GVWR will be based on the weakest part - axles, wheels, tires, chassis, suspension, etc. Of course some people swear the GVWR is set by lawyers.

In my case, I beefed up the suspension with an extra leaf spring and I replaced the stock P tires with LT tires, but neither increases my GVWR. It does improve the performance though.
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TT233S, IMO, if all your other numbers are fine and you're over by 150# on the truck's weight, I wouldn't be concerned.
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Bilcin,

The GCWR takes into consideration the weakest point in your drive train including suspension components, wheels, tires etc that came with that vehicle from the factory. Even though your GAWR may be more than the GVWR it technically does not mean you could "safely" exceed the GVWR. If your Excursion had come with a heavy duty payload option such as heavier wheels, tires, or heavy duty suspension components then your GVWR could have very well been placarded higher. This is a common practice where they will place axles on a vehicle that have a rating higher than what the vehicle's GVWR amounts to. Then, as that vehicle is built, it's GVWR gets limited to the suspension and drivetrain components that are installed on the assembly line.

My F150 is this way. The combination axle rating is higher than the GVWR of the truck. Could you exceed this GVWR ? Many do...I would not want to by very much, even though my suspension components have been upgraded, including air bags. It still does not give me "legal" authorization to do so however.
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:36 PM   #59
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"The GCWR takes into consideration the weakest point"

Oops I meant GVWR.....not GCWR
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By the etrailer determination, a pickup with a 1500 pound camper, could not pull a trailer.
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