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Old 04-07-2016, 05:01 PM   #111
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All this talk just makes me wanna trade in my 2016 F-250 Gas SRW for a 2017 F-350 TurboDiesel DRW.
Could be a very expensive thread
But then I'm just very easily tempted by new toys
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:06 PM   #112
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My husband can't stand the smell of diesel (he's an ASE Master tech,too!) with some of the gas vehicles towing 8k-9k lbs, I have to think there are other options.

Our tow capacity is around 8500 #. What good is a tow capacity if you can't even tow less than that?

My truck most of the time ill not even downshift but on the 6-7% grades it usually will drop out of overdrive and just hold whatever speed I have on the cruise control.

The new diesels do not smell like diesel at all unless you spill it on yourself when filling up. They are clean and have really any exhaust smell.
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:25 PM   #113
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My neighbor has a 2014 Duramax/Allison setup pulling a 12.5k 5th wheel. I've ridden with him up the same 6% grade (5-6 miles worth). My setup (7500 with a half ton gasser) has an easier time pulling that grade at the same rpm's. I can jump into the passing lane and leave him behind easily. It's not apples to apples, but does tell me that a matched setup is a matched setup.

Having 90% of available torque between 1700-4000 rpm and turbos with very little loss at elevation makes a great towing engine. Doesn't matter if that's accomplished burning diesel or gas.

No disrespect for diesels. They are the preferred engine. But some of these comments are ridiculous in the scope of what the OP is towing.

If I wanted to spend the money, I'd go diesel too. But don't think it's the only option for a relaxed towing experience. On rolling hills, my cruise is set, no downshifts, less than 2k rpms, and I'm talking with the family while my knuckles are nice and pink. The OP has many options that would do the same for him and not be a diesel.
That's why the Ecoboost is such a great motor, it flies no matter if it's full or empty.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:02 PM   #114
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I've often wondered why I waited so long to buy the diesel that I have now. My trailer's not as heavy as yours and I'll never go back to towing with a gas engine. Inclines where I used to struggle with the truck in 3rd and revved up to 4400 rpm don't even rate a downshift. The diesel grunts a little louder and pulls up the hill. On the other side going down I hear the exhaust brake working and I'm still sitting at 65 mph, not heating and wearing the brakes on the truck or trailer. There are too many good things about the diesel towing experience to ignore... and I very seldom experience any diesel smell, certainly not while towing.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:03 PM   #115
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That's why the Ecoboost is such a great motor, it flies no matter if it's full or empty.
Without a doubt, it is a great motor. Ford needs to do a V8 ecoboost!!! LOL
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My neighbor has a 2014 Duramax/Allison setup pulling a 12.5k 5th wheel. I've ridden with him up the same 6% grade (5-6 miles worth). My setup (7500 with a half ton gasser) has an easier time pulling that grade at the same rpm's. I can jump into the passing lane and leave him behind easily. It's not apples to apples, but does tell me that a matched setup is a matched setup.

Having 90% of available torque between 1700-4000 rpm and turbos with very little loss at elevation makes a great towing engine. Doesn't matter if that's accomplished burning diesel or gas.

No disrespect for diesels. They are the preferred engine. But some of these comments are ridiculous in the scope of what the OP is towing.

If I wanted to spend the money, I'd go diesel too. But don't think it's the only option for a relaxed towing experience. On rolling hills, my cruise is set, no downshifts, less than 2k rpms, and I'm talking with the family while my knuckles are nice and pink. The OP has many options that would do the same for him and not be a diesel.
Sorry, but if you think you can jump in the passing lane and leave a Duramax it's because he wants to "BOOST" your ego, even tho he's 5k heavier, my experience is he's still laughing at you on the inside!
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:30 PM   #117
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Maybe so, but he's a good guy that sounds genuine. I typed that for dramatic effect mostly...

I think there are lots of diesel owners with their nose in the air. When, in fact, they are not having the dramatically different experience that some think they are.

Sure, a half ton would be a dog with those weights and couldn't do it without breakdowns. But that's not what the OP is doing, and therefore the suggestions to 'go diesel or go home'. Sound like an 'Ego-boost' to me.

I stated my perspective from the experiences I've had. In the end, comparing to anything else is not important. If we are satisfied with what we're doing, then fine.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:35 PM   #118
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Can't believe nobody has said it....It goes up the hill.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:53 PM   #119
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Belaboring this point is going to look like it DOES matter (too much) to me. But I'd like to hear someone else's take on this logic.

Duramax 397hp and 765 torque
Ecoboost 365hp and 420 torque

Duramax pulling 12,500 and Ecoboost pulling 7500.

If my math is correct, the Ecoboost is pulling 60% of the weight with 55% of the torque and 92% of the horsepower.

In addition, it looks like his truck is roughly 1500 pounds heavier.

Is it that silly to expect these two towing experiences to be similar?
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:55 PM   #120
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What does your truck do on steep inclines?

But at least the dirty max won't stretch the timing chain, while heading up the mountain.


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