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Old 04-11-2016, 06:16 PM   #131
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I think this guy had a bad hill day...

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Old 04-12-2016, 10:50 PM   #132
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I pass a lot of gassers in the mountain passes. If you plan on a lot of trips to the mountains. Might look into a diesel. If not just ease up on the truck a little. Let it down shift to a lower gear and slow down. I have passed trucks must have been running 25 but they get to the camp site. Relax and enjoy the view. You could buy a lower gear for the rear end.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:10 PM   #133
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Maybe so, but he's a good guy that sounds genuine. I typed that for dramatic effect mostly...

I think there are lots of diesel owners with their nose in the air. When, in fact, they are not having the dramatically different experience that some think they are.

Sure, a half ton would be a dog with those weights and couldn't do it without breakdowns. But that's not what the OP is doing, and therefore the suggestions to 'go diesel or go home'. Sound like an 'Ego-boost' to me.

I stated my perspective from the experiences I've had. In the end, comparing to anything else is not important. If we are satisfied with what we're doing, then fine.
Hooray, I agree 100%. They can crow all they want, I do as I please...(As long as TOWTA says I can) and tow with what I already had and don't have to make payments.
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:35 PM   #134
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Be interesting to hear some towing experiences with the new Nissan Titan XD with the 5L Cummins V8 turbo diesel. It has 100 less lb-ft of torque than the "low-torque" 6.7L Cummins, but the truck weighs only 100 lbs. less than a Ram 2500 crew cab diesel. So I'm not sure what advantages it will provide.
I looked at one the other day. Sticker was almost $60K.....

I just got my new 16 GMC 3500 Denali fir $58,5K. WAY more truck.
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:39 PM   #135
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Belaboring this point is going to look like it DOES matter (too much) to me. But I'd like to hear someone else's take on this logic.

Duramax 397hp and 765 torque
Ecoboost 365hp and 420 torque

Duramax pulling 12,500 and Ecoboost pulling 7500.

If my math is correct, the Ecoboost is pulling 60% of the weight with 55% of the torque and 92% of the horsepower.

In addition, it looks like his truck is roughly 1500 pounds heavier.

Is it that silly to expect these two towing experiences to be similar?


I can tell you this, the Guramax is way under quoted for the power numbers. it makes almost 400 rwhp which equates to 474 crank bhp. In its current power levels (397/765), it still be at the new Ford 440/860 and Dodge 385/900 up the Ike Gauntlet again.


I know my current 2014 D max that is deleted and tuned makes about 600/1024 crank power so we really don't experience any issues, ever. LOL . Heavy tow tune is about 540/900. It will get the job done. ;-)

I tow 12K and get 12.5 on the flats and 11.2 in the lowly hilly stuff in north Florida and Georgia. This is with the cruise set at 70-72. I do not run ST tires so not fear of blowing them up.
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I looked at one the other day. Sticker was almost $60K.....

I just got my new 16 GMC 3500 Denali fir $58,5K. WAY more truck.
A the Nissan Titan XD Diesel with goose neck adapter in the bed had a 1490 payload at our local dealership. The sales guy said it tow 99% of the 5ers on the market today - you know because it has diesel engine.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:15 PM   #137
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A the Nissan Titan XD Diesel with goose neck adapter in the bed had a 1490 payload at our local dealership. The sales guy said it tow 99% of the 5ers on the market today - you know because it has diesel engine.
Haha, our "ultralite" 5er pin weight is over 1490 lbs
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:30 PM   #138
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Haha, our "ultralite" 5er pin weight is over 1490 lbs
Right on brother. 1500 pin and all loaded to travel I'm right at max payload of 2700. My sticker says 2761 payload. It's a 2015 F250 6.2 gasser and I have never had any issues even up the 6% grades into Wheeling, WV. Pulled it going 50-55. Engine at 4500 rpms the whole time. Gas mileage was around 2.7. LOL Would a diesel be nice. Heck yeah. But I just couldn't afford the payments on a 350 diesel.


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You are correct about thin air. Just think back to the older aircraft, many were supercharged or turbocharged in order to accept thin air.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:37 AM   #140
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I have never had any issues even up the 6% grades into Wheeling, WV. Pulled it going 50-55. Engine at 4500 rpms the whole time. Gas mileage was around 2.7. LOL
Wow, guess I'll have to fill the tank before driving any of the longer climbs on our summer trip!
And be prepared for a slow climb
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