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08-18-2019, 08:25 AM
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What is this?
6,000 miles in the mountains with 8-10% grades and I thought to check the brakes on my new wolf pup. Brakes don’t work. TV brake fuse is ok. Looked at the axle connections and expected splices. Instead there are these things that seem like fuse blocks. If so there are four of them!
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08-18-2019, 08:46 AM
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Can you hear the magnets activate when someone steps on the brake pedal? Do you hear the buzz? If so, do you have a brake spoon and know how to adjust your brakes by moving the star wheel?
I think those pieces are just weatherproof wire junctions.
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08-18-2019, 08:47 AM
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Those are a type of wire connector. Have you checked for voltage there when brakes are applied?
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08-18-2019, 08:55 AM
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Do the brakes lock when you pull the breakaway ?
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08-18-2019, 09:25 AM
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What model brake controller do you have and does it display numbers when you manually activate it?
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08-18-2019, 11:46 AM
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Well hell nell
This is a case of “You know what you know but you don’t know what you don’t know wouldn’t you agree?” Thanks to the pin out diagrams here on this site I was able to determine that the trailer brakes are fine, those weird looking goobers are splice crimps. No power to the pin on the tv. Dealer told me I was good on brakes when I left the lot because I had the round plug factory installed. In Subsequent conversations with the service manager no one bothered to inquire whether I had a brake controller. I don’t. Found the plug and wire for one in the glove box. Duh all around.
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08-18-2019, 11:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Papadave
This is a case of “You know what you know but you don’t know what you don’t know wouldn’t you agree?” Thanks to the pin out diagrams here on this site I was able to determine that the trailer brakes are fine, those weird looking goobers are splice crimps. No power to the pin on the tv. Dealer told me I was good on brakes when I left the lot because I had the round plug factory installed. In Subsequent conversations with the service manager no one bothered to inquire whether I had a brake controller. I don’t. Found the plug and wire for one in the glove box. Duh all around.
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That was my gut feeling but I didn't want to come out and ask if you had one, so I asked which model you had to see if that might trigger an "ah-ha! Oh..." moment.
Glad the mysteries have been solved!
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08-18-2019, 12:24 PM
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The connector in the pics are Scotchlok connectors. I personally don't like them but they certainly are helpful when you need a quick fix.
If you have the factory wiring pigtail adding a controller is quite easy. My suggestion for a controller would be a Tekonsha brake controller. I have found them to be very reliable and consistent. I have personally used a P2 and P3 but prefer the P3. 
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08-18-2019, 01:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Papadave
This is a case of “You know what you know but you don’t know what you don’t know wouldn’t you agree?” Thanks to the pin out diagrams here on this site I was able to determine that the trailer brakes are fine, those weird looking goobers are splice crimps. No power to the pin on the tv. Dealer told me I was good on brakes when I left the lot because I had the round plug factory installed. In Subsequent conversations with the service manager no one bothered to inquire whether I had a brake controller. I don’t. Found the plug and wire for one in the glove box. Duh all around.
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WOW! Good thing you didn't drive in any mountains.
That's why RV newbies should join a RV forum BRFORE buying the RV.
They would learn what they should know, that they don't know, before they get on the road.
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08-18-2019, 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
WOW! Good thing you didn't drive in any mountains.
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Didn't read the OP, eh? [emoji6][emoji54]
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08-18-2019, 02:12 PM
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So nobody is going to blame the dealer, ok I will. His dealer sucks, should have never ever let him leave that lot until they verified the brakes were working on the trailer. And if a dealer can't tell that a TV doesn't have a brake controller then they shouldn't be a dealer.
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08-18-2019, 02:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DieselDrax
Didn't read the OP, eh? [emoji6][emoji54]
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[emoji32][emoji37]that's what I get for skimming the posts.
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4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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08-18-2019, 02:25 PM
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OP You don't say what your vehicle is. Ford, Dodge I know have a pigtail behind the dash where the factory brake controller would be and a place to install a factory brake controller. You would also need to put the proper fuse in the fuse block out under the hood. I have done several Fords and one Dodge back when I was working.
Pretty sure GM products work the same way.
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08-18-2019, 03:01 PM
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Wow could have been a disaster .................... At least the TV brakes could stop both. Its real fun when you loose both TV and the trailer has no brakes.
Been there.
At least you found out before an accident .................
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08-18-2019, 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daycruiser
So nobody is going to blame the dealer, ok I will. His dealer sucks, should have never ever let him leave that lot until they verified the brakes were working on the trailer. And if a dealer can't tell that a TV doesn't have a brake controller then they shouldn't be a dealer.
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My dealer absolutely verified I had a brake controller, it had power, and would control the brakes. We pulled in un-annoinced, looked at trailers, settled on a price, with one condition. We could take delivery in no more than three days.
When we arrived at the appointed time, they “took over” the Tow vehicle. Set up WDH, gave us a detailed walk-through, made me show them I knew how to drive, adjust the P2 controller, I knew where the fuses were, and I had some spare fuses. I’ve towed trailers with brakes for many years (about 35). I recognized the dealer cared and made sure we would not have a no brake issue.
Glad the OP discovered this before there was a mishap.
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08-19-2019, 12:54 AM
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My truck came with a plug in the glove compartment. My dealer told me it would be $200 to install a controller. I didn't believe their BS and found a plug and play cable on Amazon that allowed me to wire my P3 controller directly to the firewall. It took me 15 minutes to mount the P3 and hook it up. So if you haven't already installed a brake controller, get a Prodigy P3 and a plug and play cable from Amazon and install it yourself.
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08-19-2019, 05:35 AM
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Go with the "Prodigy" and you don't have to install box on dash, install harness. Mount box to hitch, plug handheld unit into 12v in vehicle....and go. want to tow with another vehicle ? Plug handheld unit into 12v in other vehicle...and go.
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08-19-2019, 05:41 AM
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Kind of wonder what the TV is and what kind of weight on the PUP. If I was pulling a pup behind the GMC I use to have, I wouldn't have worried about trailer brakes.
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08-19-2019, 08:30 AM
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Their profile says a 4Runner.
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08-19-2019, 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWolfPaq82
Kind of wonder what the TV is and what kind of weight on the PUP. If I was pulling a pup behind the GMC I use to have, I wouldn't have worried about trailer brakes.
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it says wolf pup not Pop Up. so im assuming he has a small single axle travel trailer
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