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Old 06-20-2013, 05:29 PM   #41
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Do you think Toyota was being aware when they pulled the Space Shuttle? It will do it, I seen it on TV.....
I would be more convinced if the truck was not hooked up to the shuttle's tractor.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:34 PM   #42
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It's all fine until you find yourself in court for...............remember ignorance is not a defence.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:03 PM   #43
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It's all fine until you find yourself in court for...............remember ignorance is not a defence.
So what am I going to be in court for?
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:15 PM   #44
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I saw that truck at NAIAS this past january and talked with the Toyota folks there. It was a stock truck pulled of a local dealers lot. They did it 'to reduce the weight on the bridge'...as if it mattered that much.

Flat, level, closed road and 2mph. And it only had to pull it what, 200 yards or something.

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Old 06-20-2013, 10:22 PM   #45
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So what am I going to be in court for?
Depends...hurt someone and they hire a good lawyer - could be all sorts of things. Negligence for overloading your vehicle at the least, or could maybe be some kind of willful disregard of the law and human life if it's proven you intentionally and often overload your vehicle.

Trust me - it's not the law you need to fear, but LAWYERS. We're being sued because a lady THOUGHT our dog was going to run out in front of her, she stopped and got rear ended. Really?
Now the cop that came to teh accident, after the dog was in the house, the ambulance was there, etc wrote us a ticket for a 'dog off leash' (he was still in our yard...). Cop never even saw the dog. YOU try and get a cop to write someone a ticket when he didn't see 'the crime'.

We signed the 'ticket' not guilty to fight it and were found guilty - without even being notified of the hearing(local magistrate) and when we tried to appeal (on the grounds we signed 'not guilty' they said 'we didn't keep a copy of the ticket so you can't appeal'. Our town is VERY VERY VERY anti-dog BTW.

There is right, wrong, justice and it's all just a fairy tale in the real world.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:17 AM   #46
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Depends...hurt someone and they hire a good lawyer - could be all sorts of things. Negligence for overloading your vehicle at the least, or could maybe be some kind of willful disregard of the law and human life if it's proven you intentionally and often overload your vehicle.
There will always be someone that tries to get something for nothing. It wouldn't matter if you are overloaded or not they will find something if they want to. Not likely they are going to weigh the crash scene though.
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If you could find out how/where the posted numbers came from, it would help. Did they come from the design engineers, were they massaged by lawyers, are they based on actual tests, etc.? With todays litigation society, I suspect (again, no proof) that the numbers have all been massaged by lawyers to protect the companies and have nothing to do with actual tests. Folks here say you will wear out the rear end, but have no idea when, how long, etc. It is just based on what they think, not actual fact. If you look at the sticker on cars, not trucks, you will find that most cars when used are overloaded but no one pays any attention to them. Ever seen a car loaded for vacation go to a Cat scale to check? My advice is use the numbers as a guide not as gospel. A few pounds over is not going break anything or endanger anyone. Just use a little common sense.
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If you could find out how/where the posted numbers came from, it would help. Did they come from the design engineers, were they massaged by lawyers, are they based on actual tests, etc.? With todays litigation society, I suspect (again, no proof) that the numbers have all been massaged by lawyers to protect the companies and have nothing to do with actual tests. Folks here say you will wear out the rear end, but have no idea when, how long, etc. It is just based on what they think, not actual fact. If you look at the sticker on cars, not trucks, you will find that most cars when used are overloaded but no one pays any attention to them. Ever seen a car loaded for vacation go to a Cat scale to check? My advice is use the numbers as a guide not as gospel. A few pounds over is not going break anything or endanger anyone. Just use a little common sense.
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For what it's worth, I agree with OldCoot.

Unfortunately common sense isn't as common as you'd think. Meaning, there's a big difference between knowing you are over your limit and towing anyway (ostensibly in a careful way, leaving plenty of stopping room, etc), and being over your vehicle limits and being completely clueless to the fact.

Nothing I have to worry about though, because I bought a 3/4 ton and based on everything I've read on this forum, there's nothing I can't tow now.
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Nothing I have to worry about though, because I bought a 3/4 ton and based on everything I've read on this forum, there's nothing I can't tow now.
And some on here will say there is nothing you can tow with a 3/4 ton.
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