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Old 06-21-2013, 10:15 AM   #51
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If you could find out how/where the posted numbers came from, it would help. Did they come from the design engineers, were they massaged by lawyers, are they based on actual tests, etc.? With todays litigation society, I suspect (again, no proof) that the numbers have all been massaged by lawyers to protect the companies and have nothing to do with actual tests. Folks here say you will wear out the rear end, but have no idea when, how long, etc. It is just based on what they think, not actual fact. If you look at the sticker on cars, not trucks, you will find that most cars when used are overloaded but no one pays any attention to them. Ever seen a car loaded for vacation go to a Cat scale to check? My advice is use the numbers as a guide not as gospel. A few pounds over is not going break anything or endanger anyone. Just use a little common sense.
Well said Oldcoot.
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:46 PM   #52
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Just for thoughts.....

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Old 06-21-2013, 04:23 PM   #53
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[QUOTE="fonzie;405810"]Just for thought

Good thought, but thus isn't at all what this thread is about. My to be insensitive as I've lost family members to accidents too, but I've known many people who died in their sleep well before old age, yet I continue to go to bed reach night.
Be safe. Follow a list when hooking up and by all means inspect your hitch and towing equipment often.

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That's not the only point, you can always end up in court even if it's not your fault, or you don't follow what is the prescribed weights for your truck or trailer....why push your luck... we should try to do our best to follow rules.....just saying.....just an opinion....no arguments to follow on my part.....everyone do as they see fit.
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What is 'safe'? Is staying under 'the numbers' safer than exceeding them? Sure.

And of course you think YOUR being safe, duh! But last summer the cops stopped 85 trailers - 65 were in violation of some law.
They do this a few times a year because of a trailer that came loose in 2006 and killed a family.
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Since the task force was created five years ago, 1,167 traffic stops have been made with 234 commercial vehicle inspections completed. From that, 940 citations and 622 warnings have been issued, according to Rick's press release.

As they say, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Ignoring weights makes you part of the problem, doesn't it?

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Im going to have to agree eith prof fate on this. I think there is too much junk running up and down the road and too many in violation of many safety issues, be it over weight, no lights, unsecured loads or a multitude of other things. Why should the commercial guys be the only ones that have to follow these laws it seems. I think that there should be more inforcement of the rules especially for those towing trailers. We impose alot of extra liability if we dont follow the rules or act in a unsafe manner with the tons we have pulling behind us.
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I am over weight according to the weight police on here but fine by the real weight police where I travel.

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Good discussion, but I still don't see anyone really approaching the stated question:

- why is rear axle weight ratings and tire load capacities more important than GVWR?

What makes those more "gospel" than the "lawyered up GVWR"?

If you're going to exceed one rating, can they *ALL* be viewed as recommendations and if you exceed them than, meh/shrugs shoulders?
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Good discussion, but I still don't see anyone really approaching the stated question:

- why is rear axle weight ratings and tire load capacities more important than GVWR?

What makes those more "gospel" than the "lawyered up GVWR"?

If you're going to exceed one rating, can they *ALL* be viewed as recommendations and if you exceed them than, meh/shrugs shoulders?
Sure why not. I guess if I kill someone in cold blood, someone on here wont think its murder.
- honestly rules are rules. If you break one honestly you might as well have broke them all- thats what the Good Book says. Anybody-even me can argue any different but it still doesn't make it right.
- im not sure exactly what you are wanting anybody to say but you cant really argue the last part of what I just said.
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Good discussion, but I still don't see anyone really approaching the stated question:- why is rear axle weight ratings and tire load capacities more important than GVWR? What makes those more "gospel" than the "lawyered up GVWR"?...
They're all "lawyered up" to protect the companies, not the consumer. Same as the warning labels on toys, food, beer, medicine, etc. It is a gov't regulation and has very little to do with actual facts based on testing. It's "Big Brother" telling us what is best for us like we can't think for ourselves. Do you overload your car? Have you ever loaded it for vacation and taken it across the Cat scales? Bet you would be surprised. I'm outa here.
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