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Old 06-22-2013, 01:25 PM   #71
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So what you're really saying is you're over what the engineers deem safe for your vehicle but as long as the state says you're legal you dont' care?
No I'm not saying that at all so don't put words in my mouth. I care that my rig is safe and if it was not safe then I would be doing something about it. I don't need a 8 year old sticker on the door or someone that knows nothing about my TV to tell me whether I'm safe or not.
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:47 PM   #72
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The weight police are out in full checkstop on this thread!

I run at the max for my ratings. I know that my truck and my trailer are flawless, I am a maintenance and inspection nazi. I have never in my life had a tire blowout simply because I won't run on poor tires. I also am insured and legal... and then some. So, if something were to happen... whatever... that's why lawyers are rich I guess, my insurance is good, my equipment is good, I am an experienced driver. I won't change what I'm doing regardless of if someone on a forum types angrily that I'm bad lol
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:58 PM   #73
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The weight police are out in full checkstop on this thread!

I run at the max for my ratings. I know that my truck and my trailer are flawless, I am a maintenance and inspection nazi. I have never in my life had a tire blowout simply because I won't run on poor tires. I also am insured and legal... and then some. So, if something were to happen... whatever... that's why lawyers are rich I guess, my insurance is good, my equipment is good, I am an experienced driver. I won't change what I'm doing regardless of if someone on a forum types angrily that I'm bad lol
X 100, they seem to think because they can read lawyers stickers they are experts, (altho self-appointed) .
I echo your "I won't change what I'm doing regardless of or if someone on a forum types angrily that I'm bad", and I'll add "unsafe". I was pulling campers before a lot of them were born and have never had an accident or caused one. Not saying it won't happen, but it will not be because of an overloaded situation or faulty/inadequate equipment.
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I was pulling campers before a lot of them were born and have never had an accident or caused one. Not saying it won't happen, but it will not be because of an overloaded situation or faulty/inadequate equipment.
Prolly be cuz you're old.......
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:59 PM   #75
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Prolly be cuz you're old.......
You're right, our 2 boys say I'm "3 days older than dirt." Started pulling trailers in 1955 before I could legally drive. Made it official in 56, so I've been around the block a time or two.
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I Guess the answer, for me, to your very least question just comes from experience I do not ignore any ratings, but feel my pickup is up to pulling/hauling more than the ratings show. Where I live, 1/2 t trucks have hauled and pulled more than double their ratings in a regular basis, and yet continue to run well and not snap in half. Just yesterday, I helped a friend, who was moving some pallets of blocks. We loaded 24 pallets of 8x 8 x 16 concrete blocks on his trailer, pulled by a 1T Chevy. I know the truck would've been overloaded on gvwr, but didn't even blink at hauling the load. This is the norm for my area. I do differently, especially with my family involved. But to each his own...
This is how it is around here also. The big farmer in the area tows around a John Deere 650 dozer with a 3500 SRW Chevy 6.0L, I am guessing that the dozer and trailer must weigh something close to 28,000-30000lbs. Granted they probably one tow it maybe 5 miles each time they move it from there farms or fields, but the truck does the job somehow...

In this area being as rural as it is I am not afraid of going over tow or haul ratings of my trucks for short distances (under 5 miles). Usually every fall/winter my trucks haul oak firewood home 1 cord at a time (a full cord is around 5000lbs). All while bring the 7-10 loads of wood home I may see 4 or 5 cars total, thats an average of 1/2 car per trip. So I am more likely to hurt myself than someone else on my 3 mile trip from the woods to my house.
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Ependydad, I'll offer my theory on why many feel GVWR is not as critical as axle weights.

The manufacturers do not know how the vehicle owner is going to load the truck... specifcally the placement of the payload.

Isn't there a difference between placing 2000 lbs dead center in the truck verses placing 2000 lbs directly over the rear axle? Such as a 5th wheel pin wt?

Wouldn't the stresses on the frame and other components be significantly different depending on the placement of the payload? Isn't it possible the manufacturers determine the GVWR by assuming the worst placement of the payload?

In part that's why I believe there is a big difference between the sum of the axle weight ratings verses the GVWR.

Personally I would prefer to stay below all the ratings but with the number of 3/4 ton trucks I see towing 12,000 lb 5th wheels who are obviously exceeding the GVWR... I don't see how being over the GVWR by a few hundred pounds when towing a 5th wheel is big problem.
Thanks for the response. Interesting to read and ponder a bit. I guess it opens the door to wondering where the best placement for 2,000 pounds of load is vs. worse placement. Is it better over the rear axles? Is it worse to load the crew cab with adults?

The "worst case scenario" makes sense- but I then wonder for someone like me who doesn't know enough about trucks to really say; how as a novice who isn't mechanically inclined to know what and how to reasonably overload my truck.
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As for the other posts- I'm not sure why anyone needs to get nasty to have a discussion like this (both sides have been offenders). Meanness, sarcasm and unpleasantly witty comments don't help the discussion at all (or even jumping to extremes).
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As for the other posts- I'm not sure why anyone needs to get nasty to have a discussion like this (both sides have been offenders). Meanness, sarcasm and unpleasantly witty comments don't help the discussion at all (or even jumping to extremes).
I'm sure im one of the offenders. Having to work on these rigs everyday I am riddled with liability on everything I touch. So my boss, owner and their ins. Is counting on me to keep their best interest in mind (or else) - so I am conditioned to give any advise in the same manner. Because if I misinform a customer -or even possibly someone on here (don't think it couldn't happen) then I could find my self in court. I have had other colleagues subpoenaed, so I would be wise to realize the possibility.

And yes liability limits and or ties everybody's hands. I CANNOT do the same thing or repair to your vehicle as you can- insurance and general liability prevents this. If it is not an approved procedure than I cannot perform it with out jeopardizing others as well as myself.
-you guys do as you wish-cause im not liable, and that's what its all about these days.
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...how as a novice who isn't mechanically inclined to know what and how to reasonably overload my truck.
Don't think anyone is advising anyone to overload their truck. Just informing them that the stickers are the result of lawyers and should be used as guidelines and not as something that if violated will result in a catastrophe like is being implied. It appears sometimes that it is implied that if you violate such and such a sticker you will cause a horrendous accident and put their families in danger. You have to realize that everyone does not want a 3/4T or bigger truck for whatever reason. Not opposed to pointing out the stickers as guidelines for reference, but not to the point of a violation is a doomsday situation.
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