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Old 06-28-2014, 07:30 AM   #1
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I have a 2014 Dodge Quad Cab 4x2, with 6'4" bed, 5.7L Hemi, 5-speed transmission, and 3.92 axle. I weigh 180 pounds and my wife weighs 150 pounds and the 5th wheel hitch receiver installed in the bed weighs 120 pounds. There is no other cargo carried in the truck. The door sticker specifies FGAWR 3700, RGAWR 3900, and GVWR 6800. If anyone knows how to figure out what I can tow in a 5th wheel and what the maximum pin weight can be, I surely would appreciate the help.
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Old 06-28-2014, 07:47 AM   #2
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A Great place to start is VIN Decoder @ North American Motoring. The basics to tow safe. All the data on the truck, before mods, can be found.
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Old 06-28-2014, 08:22 AM   #3
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If you go to the RAM website, you can enter your VIN & the website will show your specific truck's tow rating. Ram Trucks - Towing Capacity Chart

Your 2014 likely has a payload around 4,000 lbs. & a tow rating of 11,400 lbs. plus (1) 150 lb. driver. To figure what you can actually tow - max, subtract the weight of the hitch, wife, how much you weigh over 150, & anything else you are hauling in the truck bed or cab. Although technically you could tow something in the 10,750 lb. range (loaded with gear), I would not want to tow over 8,500 lbs. with the 5.7/3.92 combo.

My TT is 7,500 loaded with gear & there are 5 of us in the cab. I'm comfortable with the weights at both highway speeds & steep inclines but I would not want to add another 1,000 lbs. I traveled between campsites with full tanks (about 750 lbs. extra), just as a test, and I could really tell the difference on hills & this is with a TT, not a 5er that creates more wind resistance...
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:55 AM   #4
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Sounds like you have a Ram Truck 1500. I don't believe Ram Trucks makes Quad Cabs in the HD models any longer (I could be wrong). The 1500s have poor payload ratings. But, I am in yhe market for one myself, with the 3.0 VM A630 diesel engine.
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Old 06-28-2014, 10:11 AM   #5
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Your 2014 likely has a payload around 4,000 lbs. & a tow rating of 11,400 lbs. plus (1) 150 lb. driver. To figure what you can actually tow - max, subtract the weight of the hitch, wife, how much you weigh over 150, & anything else you are hauling in the truck bed or cab. Although technically you could tow something in the 10,750 lb. range (loaded with gear), I would not want to tow over 8,500 lbs. with the 5.7/3.92 combo.
With a 6800# GVWR, I doubt he has 4000# payload. Would mean the truck weighs 2800#. Payload more likely around 1200#, but I'm just guessing. Don't think this truck is even in 5er territory.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:08 AM   #6
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With a 6800# GVWR, I doubt he has 4000# payload. Would mean the truck weighs 2800#. Payload more likely around 1200#, but I'm just guessing. Don't think this truck is even in 5er territory.
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Door jamb will have a yellow sticker with an available payload rating. Take that number and subtract you, your wife and your cargo weights. Take the remaining number and divide by 0.15 and you will have a good idea of your maximum loaded trailer weight.

Example: Payload 1200lbs
1200-120-180-150-100 (misc stuff) = 650lbs remaining payload (this would be pin weight, or hitch weight). 650/0.15 = 4,333 lbs max LOADED trailer weight
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Oops... I missed the GVWR 6800 which means it's a 1500...

Although Keystone advertises the Cougar X-Lite 5ers as being "1/2 ton towable" personally I would not make it a regular habit. (Maybe just to move it to a permanent campsite, etc....) Even if you can legally tow your empty trailer with your mostly empty truck, how can you enjoy camping without all of the stuff that makes camping fun?

Before we bought our own TT, we borrowed my uncle's heavy 5th wheel pulled by a 3500 dullie. Our PT Tracer has a LOT more space inside but only weighs 6,500 empty with a hitch weight of 700 lbs. Technically we could tow our TT with a properly configured 1500 but it would make for a stressful trip. So IMO once you get past 7,000 you need a 2500 to be safe.

For instance, on a recent trip into the steep hills of S. Ohio, my 2500 brakes were very hot by the time we got to our campsite. I can't imagine driving the same roads with the same 7,500 lb. TT (loaded) with only a 1500. My 2500 has the same 5.7 Hemi & 3.92 gear ratio as some of the 1500s but its the heavy duty springs in the back, E rated tires, etc. that keep everything in place on steep corners.
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My 2012 V-Cross fiver is said to be 1/2 ton towable. It shouldn't be done due to the pin weight. It would be over weight on the pickup without any thing else in the truck. I tow it with an F250 diesel CC longbed.
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Door jamb will have a yellow sticker with an available payload rating. Take that number and subtract you, your wife and your cargo weights. Take the remaining number and divide by 0.15 and you will have a good idea of your maximum loaded trailer weight.

Example: Payload 1200lbs
1200-120-180-150-100 (misc stuff) = 650lbs remaining payload (this would be pin weight, or hitch weight). 650/0.15 = 4,333 lbs max LOADED trailer weight
Dividing by 0.15 is a 15% pin ratio; which is the lightest safe pin weight. It does give you a much heavier trailer though.

The generally accepted safe range of pin loading for 5th wheel campers is 15-25% with the optimum handling occurring at 20% of camper weight; that is the number I use.

650/.2 equals a 3200 pound loaded camper; not many 5th wheels in this weight class. Obviously if your available payload is more; the max camper size will increase.

You can tow a heavier travel trailer with your truck than 5th wheel since the tongue weight to camper ratio is much smaller; 9%-14% (again generally accepted safe) with optimum handling at around 12%

If your availble payload is that same 650 pounds, your max target camper weight should be 650/.12 or 5400 pounds. That is a nice sized camper in a travel trailer.
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