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Old 07-26-2019, 12:07 PM   #1
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Would someone please read these specs?

We've been wondering if we should upgrade...yes, we haven't even picked up out TT yet...but I got to looking at half-tons. We have a Colorado.

So...here's the specs I'm seeing:

https://www.machens.com/vehicle-deta...EX1E88HKD41801

This is to a local dealer's site. If I read this right, it says there is a max GCWR of 10,000 lbs and a max towing capacity of 5,000 lbs? Am I reading that right?

Our Colorado has a GCWR of 12,000 and a 7,000 two capacity. Heck, the payload is over 1,400.

Surely I'm reading these wrong.
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:15 PM   #2
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You should primarily be concerned about payload and use the number on the door jamb on the drivers side of YOUR vehicle. Towing capacity is a marketing term used to sell vehicles.
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Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front 3450 lbs 3450.0 min 3450.0 max
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear 3300 lbs 3300.0 min 3300.0 max
Curb Weight - Front 2782 lbs 2782.0 min 2782.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear 1865 lbs 1865.0 min 1865.0 max
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap 6500, 7050, 7000, 6300 lbs 6300.0 min 7050.0 max
Fuel Economy Est-Combined 19 MPG 17.0 min 20.0 max
EPA Fuel Economy Est - City 17 MPG 15.0 min 18.0 max
EPA Fuel Economy Est - Hwy 23 MPG 21.0 min 23.0 max
Gross Combined Wt Rating 10000 lbs 10000.0 min 10000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Maximum Trailering Capacity 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 ma
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Gentlemen,

I already KNOW my payload and trailer max and curb weight, etc., etc.

I guess my real question is, How is it possible that a 1/2 ton truck has LESS of that than we do in our Colorado? I mean, if you read the same stats shown for a 2016 Colorado on this site, they show even more than we do using the actual weights, etc. But I know our GCWR is 12,000 lbs and our max hitch weight is 760.

Do trailering packages make that much difference? Or are F150 just weak?
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My 2009 Silverado's owners manual listed ninety-nine (yeah, 99!) different permutations (engine size, cab size, bed size, transmission, rear disc vs drum brakes, cooling, 2WD vs 4WD, etc.) of the Silverado 1500. The towing capacity ranged from 4,000 to 12,000 lbs. So yes, I can believe the towing capacity may only be 5,000 lbs.

You have to know the EXACT specifications of any truck you plan to buy in order to figure out the actual tow capacity. Bounce the specifications of the truck against the table in the owners manual to know the towing capacity. And the only way to know it's exact payload is to look on the sticker on the door frame of the actual truck. It's the sticker that shows you the tire pressures and also says "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXXX kg or YYYY lbs."

Since you can't weigh your new trailer until you've brought it home and loaded it up for camping, it's conservative to assume the tongue weight will be about 13% of the GVWR, which you'll find on a sticker on the left front of the trailer. My 2503S has a GVWR of 6538 lbs. So 13% would be 850 lbs. Add about 75 lbs for the WDH (yes, you need one) and you'll get 925 lbs. Now you subtract 925 lbs from whatever the payload sticker says and what's left will need to cover you, your husband, any kids and/or dogs, and anything else you put in the truck.

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You can download the towing manual/brochure from the vehicle maker of your choice, often from past years for looking at used trucks.
Engine, body style, wheelbase, bed length, rear axle ratio, weight of options, with or without factory towing package, max towing package or increased payload package all affect factory towing and payload capacity. Base model 1/2 ton full size pickups with base model engines are about the same towing rating as mid size pickups or mid size SUVs with towing packages. The big factors are engine and rear axle ratios. My 2008 Ford Explorer with towing package comes close in tow ratings to a new base model F150 XL, both V6s.
That said, I didn't follow all the links for that used F150 BUT an XLT comes with a minimum of a step up engine over the base model XL. New the XL has a basic 3.3L V6 non turbo that has similar to or more power than my 2008 Explorer 4.0L V6. XLT comes standard with the smaller but higher power turbo 2.7L V6 with 325hp & 400 ft. Lb. of torque.
The new Ford Ranger with its turbo four cylinder can be optioned to tow more than a base model F150 XL with its V6!
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Buy a 350/3500 - you won't regret the decision in the long run.
Wasn't expecting that from you, Lou!
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[...] How is it possible that a 1/2 ton truck has LESS of that than we do in our Colorado? [...]
Trim level, options, body style, drivetrain, and engine are very large factors. I think the above truck you linked to might have had the base level V6, not the vaunted 3.5L EB. That will have a large effect on all of the ratings/specs. It's confusing, because base V6 and the turbo EB are both 3.5L ... but that's about the only thing similar about them.

I've seen a 1 ton with a 1,600+ payload. I've seen a 1/2 ton with a 2,600 lb payload. It depends on how they are equipped.

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[...]Do trailering packages make that much difference? Or are F150 just weak?
Generally speaking, no, trailering packages don't have a significant effect on these tow ratings. Sometimes they will add some transmission coolers and things that will increase some of the numbers. But, again, the real differences are in what I mentioned above. 2WD will be rated for more than a 4WD. The big 3.5 EB will be rated for more than other F-150 engines. Etc.

F-150s aren't weak. Not the modern ones, anyway. My old 2005 is weak. You have to be more careful about what you're shopping for. There are many iterations of the F-150. Many of the combinations will not end up being very suitable for towing heavy loads. Other combinations will be more capable than the HD platforms of 10 years ago.

So, I don't know if you're reading the specs wrong, but I don't know that you're interpreting them correctly or in the proper context ... and don't call me Shirley.
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Since you can't weigh your new trailer until you've brought it home and loaded it up for camping, it's conservative to assume the tongue weight will be about 13% of the GVWR, which you'll find on a sticker on the left front of the trailer. My 2503S has a GVWR of 6538 lbs. So 13% would be 850 lbs. Add about 75 lbs for the WDH (yes, you need one) and you'll get 925 lbs. Now you subtract 925 lbs from whatever the payload sticker says and what's left will need to cover you, your husband, any kids and/or dogs, and anything else you put in the truck.

Good luck.
Okay...thanks. We know the dry weight of course and we can make a guess about the amount of "stuff" we'll take along. We've done the math and I'm sure our Colorado will be able to handle it. But, just in case, we thought we'd look at half-tons...there are a lot right now at nearby dealers in the 2015-2019 range under 40,000 miles (some under 10,000) and under $32,000 - which REALLY surprised me. We may not trade at all. I was just confused by the really low weights I was seeing.

Thank you all.

P.S. Pretty sure that 3500 will wait until we retire and go full-time.
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If you know the numbers for your setup then you are all set. Web Site and sales brochure numbers are totally arbitrary. The base truck can have every option available except tow package and have a lower load capacity or it can be a bare bones truck with a tow package and have a higher load capacity. When making any towing calculations always use the numbers for the specific vehicle you are considering not published numbers.
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Okay...thanks. We know the dry weight of course and we can make a guess about the amount of "stuff" we'll take along. We've done the math and I'm sure our Colorado will be able to handle it. But, just in case, we thought we'd look at half-tons...there are a lot right now at nearby dealers in the 2015-2019 range under 40,000 miles (some under 10,000) and under $32,000 - which REALLY surprised me. We may not trade at all. I was just confused by the really low weights I was seeing.

Thank you all.

P.S. Pretty sure that 3500 will wait until we retire and go full-time.
the factory ford hitch on an F150 is rated at 500lbs hitch weight, 5000lbs trailer weight WITHOUT a weight distribution hitch. this changes significantly when weight distribution hitches are involved.

as for low payload numbers, there are some really low ones out there. I know because i have one! payload sticker is around 1000 lbs.

If you have not done so already, you will need to check the door jamb sticker on your current truck for its actual payload capacity and the sticker on the new truck for its actual capacity as well. usually its a white, yellow and black sticker.
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We've been wondering if we should upgrade...yes, we haven't even picked up out TT yet...but I got to looking at half-tons. We have a Colorado.

So...here's the specs I'm seeing:

https://www.machens.com/vehicle-deta...EX1E88HKD41801

This is to a local dealer's site. If I read this right, it says there is a max GCWR of 10,000 lbs and a max towing capacity of 5,000 lbs? Am I reading that right?

Our Colorado has a GCWR of 12,000 and a 7,000 two capacity. Heck, the payload is over 1,400.

Surely I'm reading these wrong.
Don't believe any specs on a dealer's website. I've seen so much inaccurate specs, you'd think a monkey was entering the numbers on their websites.
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If you have not done so already, you will need to check the door jamb sticker on your current truck for its actual payload capacity and the sticker on the new truck for its actual capacity as well. usually its a white, yellow and black sticker.
Did that first thing, before we ever started looking for a trailer.

We know we're within our truck's ability, but we're on the high end of it. In other words, I wouldn't feel safe if our trailer was any longer or heavier than it is. It's our first TT and we're just a bit overly worried about everything.

Thanks!
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Wasn't expecting that from you, Lou!
I was misinformed by my dealer not knowing the difference between payload and towing capacity. He kept touting the identical towing numbers between the 3500SRW and the 2500SRW (in 2008).

I also duped myself by not getting 4WD thinking the additional towing capacity of the 2WD (Posi-traction) was worth the cost savings and increased capabilities.

Those two mistakes I still regret 11 years later. I fixed (sorta) the towing error by upgrading the rear end suspension to 3500 (2008) specs last year, but still wish I had gotten the 3500SRW 4WD to this day.
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That truck is likely missing the options for max payload. It also looks like that is the regular 3.5L engine and not the ecoboost model.

My truck has 1700# of payload even though its the Lariat model. An XLT will have even more depending on options.

Have the dealer send you a copy/picture of the window sticker showing all options and a picture of the door payload sticker.
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Don't believe any specs on a dealer's website. I've seen so much inaccurate specs, you'd think a monkey was entering the numbers on their websites.

X2. The info on the dealer site has numerous errors. According to the 2017 Ford Tow guide, Ford did not offer a F-150 with a GCWR of 10k lbs. I wouldn't trust any of the info provided.

For 2017 max weights are:
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5000/500 lbs for non-WD hitches
12,200/1,220 for WD hitches.


One other item on that specific truck. If it is correct, specs say a 23 gallon gas tank. I would look for one with the 36 gallon tank...
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Hi Herk7769 you need to 500 added to your 3000 to so you can get up to 3500 according to your signature
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Ex Ford salesman here. Your problem is with the engine. The 3.5 isn't really meant to be a significant towing engine. You need a 5.0 or the EcoBoost 3.5. The 5.0 ranges from around 8600 to 10000 pounds towing capacity. The EcoBoost ranges from 10000 top 11800 or so in towing capacity. I have an EcoBoost rated for 11800 plus a payload of 2684 because I have hd towing and payload etc.. if I remember correctly my GCWR is 16100. That being said I wouldn't pull an rv of much more than 8000 pounds. Even with a good wdh I still get a slight pull when semis go by me and my trailer is about 7800 max. Half tons just aren't hd enough to pull more than that. Check Big Tuck Big RV on you tube. He has some videos on half ton towing. Good luck with your truck hunt and rv experience. Larry
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