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Old 04-13-2010, 10:38 AM   #1
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Would the Tacoma be a viable TV for a Surveyor SV-264?

I am considering buying a Surveyor SV-264 before the end of May and was wondering what everyones thoughts were on towing it with a late-model Toyota Tacoma V6 with Tow package. I would prefer to have the short-bed versus the long-bed but the wheelbase recommendations may dictate that I get the long bed. The facts that I have are as follows:


Toyota Tacoma Info:
  • Tacoma Max Tow Weight - 6500 lbs
  • Tacoma Max Tongue Weight - 650 lbs
  • Short-bed wheelbase - 127.4
  • Long-bed wheelbase -140.6
Surveyor SV-264 Info:
  • Actual dry weight of TT - 4764
  • GVW of trailer - 7000
  • Tongue weight of trailer - 481
  • Overall length of trailer - 28'6"
I am located in Southern Indiana with mostly flat and rolling hill terrain and have no intention of travelling far distances outside of local camping in Southern Indiana.

The dealer says they use the Equalizer WD hitch w/sway control and said i could use the prodigy brake controller also but they would have to order it. The one they stock and use is a Reese Drawtite controller.

What is everyones thoughts regarding towing this with the Tacoma? I haven't purchased the truck yet either, so I was hoping for some feedback!

Thanks,
Kurt
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:01 PM   #2
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i wouldn't even attempt it, especially if you haven't bought the Tacoma, yet. if you really want that trailer/floorplan, get something that will tow it comfortably. and 28' with that short a wheelbase is not a good idea, IMHO.

i have a feeling you might be under the misconception that a truck v-6 engine gets much better gas mileage than truck v-8 engine.

we were looking at a 23' trailer that's UVW is 4,500lbs. started looking at the Ridgeline, which has a v-6. i found that the Avalanche with a v-8 got only 1 mpg less than the Ridgeline but had over a ton more towing capacity.

the newer v-8's get almost the same mpg because of their ability to go to v-4. and you'll get better gas mileage towing with the v-8 over the v-6.

do some research before you decide on the Tacoma. i'm so glad i did and went to a truck that could tow my trailer's GVWR. i love my Avalanche and the DW, who wanted the Ridgeline, now is so glad we didn't get it.
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:11 PM   #3
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FORD, buy a Ford. Best truck on the market for towing. The 5.4L motor will give you good mileage under normal use and tows my 829fkss with no problem at all. Before this, we had a 7200 lb Holiday Rambler Savoy and the Ford did a good job with that.
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kheim, 1st off to the forum.

You are wise to be asking questions before your purchases.

If I already had the long wheel based Taco, I might be tempted to try the setup to see how it worked.......but not with the short wheelbase version. A quick rule of thumb is to multiply the overall trailer length by 5, and that is what the minimum wheel base (in inches) of the truck should be. Also, you can go by this chart:

110" 20' ******* 150" 30'
114" 21' ******* 154" 31'
118" 22' ******* 158" 32'
122" 23' ******* 162" 33'
126" 24' ******* 166" 34'
130" 25' ******* 170" 35'
134" 26' ******* 174" 36'
138" 27' ******* 178" 37'
142" 28' ******* 182" 38'
146" 29' ******* 186" 39'

I have the sister ship of the SV 264.....the SV 263. My 145" wheelbase F150 does an excellent job, but I don't think I would want to pull with anything smaller.

Have you considered a Tundra ??
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Old 04-13-2010, 03:41 PM   #5
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I was thinking about the Tundra also and the wife even mentioned just pulling the trigger also and buy a used Tundra with the 5.7L. That will probably tow anything I will ever put behind it. The other thing going for the Tundra is that they aren't holding their value like the Tacomas are. A used Tacoma is darn near as much as a new one! I definitely want the double cab because my kids are 4 and 2 and they are still in a booster and child seats yet and I want to be able to haul the family when we are not pulling anything.

Three of the other families that we will be camping with have purchased the Salem 26TBUD last fall and I believe they are towing them with a F-150, a Tahoe, and a Dodge Durango with the V8 engine.

Sounds like I need to seriously look at the Tundra!

Does everyone think the sway control and brake control are the way to go?

Kurt
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Hi Kurt,

I tow a G218 Gazelle with my 2009 long bed Tacoma. The G-218, all-in, is about 5200 lbs. wet. The trailer handles well, and the Tacoma preforms admirably on the flats, however it is a horror-show on the hills.

In spite of the Gazelle's narrower profile, the wind resistance at 100 kph, combined with a moderate grade, really taxes the V6. Originally, I, like you, felt that I was just going to travel in a limited radius around my home base. Now I find myself wanting to go much further afield, but I can't until I pay the damn Tacoma off and replace it with something with more ooomph.

Truthfully, I really like my Tacoma; but as a tow vehicle for anything other than a pop-up or an r-pod, it really sucks.

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Does everyone think the sway control and brake control are the way to go?

Kurt
I understand that the Equalizer is a great system, as well as the Reese Straight Line.....either 1 should serve you well.

The Prodigy is an inertia brake controller....definitely the way to go. Another good 1 is the Valley Odyssey. Don't let them talk you into a time delay unit. The inertia brake controllers sense how fast you are braking, and apply the brakes accordingly. A time delay system is just that......the brakes are applied at the rate that you set up, regardless of how fast you are slowing down.
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Does everyone think the sway control and brake control are the way to go? Kurt
brake controller is required by law. the trailer has its own electric brakes so you have to have a BC to work them. the Prodigy is the most popular.

and you'll need a weight distributing hitch, not just sway control. the Equalizer and Reese Dual-Cam are the most popular and both have built-in sway control.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:25 AM   #9
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We had this same question a year ago when we were purchasing our SV263. The TT sales people, of course, said the set-up would be fine. After discusion on this forum, we decided it wasn't worth the risk and traded the Tacoma for a Tundra. Hubby had wanted the Tundra from the git-go, so he was happy. It was the best decision - the Tundra, TT and Blue-ox combo is perfect! Would not have wanted to try it with the Tacoma. Many thanks to all the good people on this forum who conviced us the 'Taco' was not the best choice!
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Old 04-18-2010, 04:05 PM   #10
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Well I have decided on the Tundra in the best interest of safety for the family and also cargo capability. We have been looking at Tundra's the last few days and can't make up my mind on Double-Cab or Crew-Max cab. I have my mind made up on definitely getting the 5.7L V8! The ride of the Tundra by itself is so much smoother than the Tacoma. Thanks for everyones input and opinions! Hopefully we can decide on a truck and go purchase the Surveyor and get camping!!!!!

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