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02-05-2013, 01:55 PM
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Engine Oil Capacity - 2012 V10
I know this is a great debate all over the internet, but I'm hoping for a little more specific info on here. Manual for our E450 chassis states oil capacity at 6 quarts. My class A with the V10 said 7 quarts. A previous 2001 F250 with the V10 said 7 quarts. I just changed the oil today. Chassis was manufacturered in March 2012, so I figured the oil was original and needed to go. Drained for several hours, changed the filter, put the 6 quarts in, ran for a little bit, let it sit for a while, checked the oil and it is barely over the low level on the hash marks. Anybody got some input on this? Wondering if it's really supposed to be 7 quarts. I've never doubted a manual until now. All other vehicles read full with the stated capacity, now this one reads low.
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02-05-2013, 03:56 PM
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My chassis is a 2011 and 6 quarts is right on for crankcase capacity, not including the filter. Usually the manual will say if the filter is included. Since I use 5 quart containers I don't have exact measurements but with the filter I usually need about 6 1/2 quarts.
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02-05-2013, 05:06 PM
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i have a 2860, ford, V10 and the auto store dudes said 7 qt. That makes my reading just at the top of high level mark.
Betcha the perfect amount is 6.5 - so 6 or 7 is acceptable.
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02-05-2013, 05:12 PM
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btw - what did you use for the first? I put in 1 quart Lucas Oil and 6 quarts Mobil 1.
Got another oil change coming up soon - in the next month or so, so I'm curious what you used.
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02-05-2013, 05:36 PM
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[QUOTE="BigJohnD"]I know this is a great debate all over the internet, but I'm hoping for a little more specific info on here. Manual for our E450 chassis states oil capacity at 6 quarts. My class A with the V10 said 7 quarts. A previous 2001 F250 with the V10 said 7 quarts. I just changed the oil today. Chassis
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02-05-2013, 06:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadTrip
btw - what did you use for the first? I put in 1 quart Lucas Oil and 6 quarts Mobil 1.
Got another oil change coming up soon - in the next month or so, so I'm curious what you used.
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I use exactly what Ford recommends in the manual, Motorcraft 5-20 synthetic blend and Ford oil filter. Not so much because it says so in the manual but it is readily available and very reasonable costs at Walmart. Also my cars and truck use the same oil so everything is the same.
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02-05-2013, 07:40 PM
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I don't think its wise to garage blend oils going into a 70K truck or 100k+ motorhome. My 2003 V 10 used 6 quarts of 10-40 oil. The 2012 uses 7 quarts with filter, I did measure it and its correct. The newer engine has a added cooler over the oil filter, careful when removing the filter, the cooler damages easily. The change came when the engine was reworked for 3 valves/cyl and higher horsepower rating.
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02-05-2013, 08:29 PM
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Our 2011 Sunseeker Class C is on a 2010 Ford E450 chassis with the V-10. It has an oil cooler above the oil filter. The manual says the capacity is 6.0 quarts and recommends full synthetic 5W-20. The manual does not state if the 6 quarts is with or without changing the filter, but I have always changed the filter when I changed the oil and have always put in 6 quarts. The oil level is always at the full mark when I check it hot soon after an oil change.
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02-05-2013, 08:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RamblerGuy
Our 2011 Sunseeker Class C is on a 2010 Ford E450 chassis with the V-10. It has an oil cooler above the oil filter. The manual says the capacity is 6.0 quarts and recommends full synthetic 5W-20. The manual does not state if the 6 quarts is with or without changing the filter, but I have always changed the filter when I changed the oil and have always put in 6 quarts. The oil level is always at the full mark when I check it hot soon after an oil change.
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Got me to look again but they must have made a change for 2011 since my manual clearly recommends synthetic blend in the section where adding and changing oil is discussed. Second choice as listed in the capacities section lists full synthetic as an option. So either could be used. It also says do not put any additives in the oil.
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02-05-2013, 09:22 PM
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I just left 6 in it for now. I checked it again several hours later and it was a shade higher. It's about 3/4 up the hash marks. It's safe to run, so I'll run it a while like that and check often. My class A had that oil cooler outfit too, but manual said 7 quarts, which put it right on the full mark. My manual is in line with what RamblerGuy said. Doesn't specify with or without filter. I did call my local Ford dealer, and of course I get better input from this forum. They were hollering back and forth at each other asking if anybody knew. Geez. As for what I run, Motorcraft 5w20 synthetic blend. Matter a fact, I run it in everything except the boats. All lawnmowers, generators, pressure washers, ATV etc. I just vary the weight by what the equipment calls for. Motorcraft is actually a very good oil. Do a little research. My dad has owned ford products for years, always run the motorcraft oil, and has always put 200-300k miles on each vehicle without any problems.
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02-05-2013, 11:06 PM
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Thinking bout it could be a difference of Ford's F-53 chassis vs th F-450 chassis. All the same HP? larger sump in the F-53.
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02-06-2013, 04:14 PM
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Also remember the V10 is never to be overfilled - it can damage the engine. I put my oil level in the middle of the high and low.
I forget how much that was but it was less than 7 quarts.
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02-06-2013, 09:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJohnD
I just left 6 in it for now. I checked it again several hours later and it was a shade higher. It's about 3/4 up the hash marks. It's safe to run, so I'll run it a while like that and check often.
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I checked this thread for the latest posts and had a thought about BigJohnD's original and latest posts. The oil has to be hot to drain back into the oil pan and give a true oil level reading. Even though 5W-20 is pretty thin, some will still collect in the engine when it's cold. Running for a few minutes may not have been enough to get a true level check. Check it after it has run for at least 30 minutes, preferrably on the road, so you are sure the oil is at its normal operating temperature. Let it sit for about 5 minutes before you check it.
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02-06-2013, 10:05 PM
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Think your right RamblerGuy. Probably wasn't warm enough. I guess this one is just acting different than previous. I checked it again this morning, and it was very close to the full mark. May have been worrying for nothing. I'm just used to it being at least close to full after changing, running and checking. This dipstick is definitely a shade more aggravating for some reason. Thanks for all the feedback.
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02-06-2013, 10:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VinceU
Thinking bout it could be a difference of Ford's F-53 chassis vs th F-450 chassis. All the same HP? larger sump in the F-53.
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I don't know about the oil pan capacities, but the V-10 in the E450 Class C chassis has heads with 2 valves per cylinders and the V-10 in the Class A chassis has heads with 3 valves per cylinder. The Class A V-10 is rated for about 60 more horsepower. It would be nice if Ford would offer the 3 valve version as an option in the E450, but they would have to do EPA certification for the engine in the E450 chassis. Since Ford sells most of the Class C chassis anyway, there's not much incentive for them to do that. Also, as Forest River rep bclemens has stated, the RV manufacturers may have a chassis setting on the lot for months before the coach is built, so offering this as an option would make inventory difficult.
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02-06-2013, 10:17 PM
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Thanks for the info RamblerGuy. Wish they would make the 3 valve standard. Don't want to change the topic up too much, but has anybody ever added a tuner? I don't want to drag race the MH, but I know I good SCT tuner will help with efficiency, power etc.
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02-07-2013, 08:37 PM
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I have the 3V engine in my 2005 F-150. But have read where the 3V head is a little to big to fit in E-350/450 chassis. Ford is not dumb, instead the cost to modify the E-350/450 is just too expensive to keep it a low-cost "fleet van" offering.
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02-08-2013, 01:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Carozzoni
I have the 3V engine in my 2005 F-150. But have read where the 3V head is a little to big to fit in E-350/450 chassis. Ford is not dumb, instead the cost to modify the E-350/450 is just too expensive to keep it a low-cost "fleet van" offering.
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I believe this is correct but it doesn't matter since 2013 is the last year for the Econoline chassis. It's being replaced by the Transit. Last I checked there was no info on the power plants. It would not surprise me if the V10 goes away and is replaced by a new engine design like the eco-boost. Current V6 used in the F series trucks makes more HP and same torque with better MPG. Also it would be nice to replace the 50 year old twin I beam front end with something more modern.
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02-08-2013, 05:17 PM
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Incorrect. Ford will actually continue to build the E-Series in chassis and cutaway cab form at its Ohio Assembly facility in Avon Lake in suburban Cleveland. This plant will be devoted entirely to commercial chassis production, with Ford's Super Duty F-650 and F-750, and F-53 and F-59 models also being produced there. The F-53 is primarily a Class A motorhome chassis; the E-Series chassis is also popular for motorhomes. I've seen both 2017 and 2019 be listed as the last year (with 2017 used most often).
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02-08-2013, 10:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Carozzoni
I have the 3V engine in my 2005 F-150. But have read where the 3V head is a little to big to fit in E-350/450 chassis. Ford is not dumb, instead the cost to modify the E-350/450 is just too expensive to keep it a low-cost "fleet van" offering.
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Thanks Joe seems to help solve the 6 vs 7 qts. In Ford V10 sumps.
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