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Old 12-14-2018, 09:28 AM   #1
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Lithium Batteries upgrade with Intelli Converter Charger

Have been researching all options for battery replacement on my 2016 Forester 2701ds on Ford chassis with Intelli-power 60amp converter charger. I was going to get the Trojan SCS200 12v 100ah , but my neighbor who has a small toy hauler said he's going up lithiums. So I'm looking into them. I see they have the same 100ah rating but their characteristics for charging, discharging and maintenance are different. Has anyone upgraded and did you have to modify your converter charger? Yes, I am aware of the very significant cost difference.
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Old 12-14-2018, 10:43 AM   #2
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Progressive makes a lithium charger....
https://www.progressivedyn.com/speci...power-centers/

At the price of the batteries.... I would make sure I have the best one and the right one for the job.

I have called Progressive before...very helpful

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Old 12-14-2018, 11:20 AM   #3
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Progressive makes a lithium charger....
https://www.progressivedyn.com/speci...power-centers/

At the price of the batteries.... I would make sure I have the best one and the right one for the job.

I have called Progressive before...very helpful

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Did you make the upgrade? If so, how is it performing?
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I have 2 Battleborn and the PD lithium converter. I actually hardly ever use the converter since I have 700W of solar with a Victron controller.

I love the lithium batteries. No stress about leaving them discharged like a FLA or AGM battery. Can be discharged 100% if you can't charge them for a few days. I store them slightly discharged like a round 80% since they will live longer than if fully charged 100%.

Less voltage drop while using an inverter and they charge up VERY fast so if you need to charge with a generator, you aren't wasting extra hours of generator time.
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Did you make the upgrade? If so, how is it performing?
No. I replaced my old WFCO unit with a Progressive unit. Happy with that.

I usually only camp where there is POWER...it's normally hot here.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:46 AM   #6
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I would have thought there would be more responses. Anyway, I am looking at upgrading my PD4560 with the lithium converter charger PD4560LICSV (60-AMPS) and 1 or 2 Battleborn 100 amp 12v lithium batteries. Going to dip big time into my retirement savings, but what the heck.
My neighbor has already installed the PD4560LICSV (60-AMPS) and is hooking up his new lithium batteries today. Hes going on la long trip next Friday up to northern CA and Oregon for the holidays. Im waiting to see how it performs for him. His small toy hauler has an energy grabbing 120v/12v fridge. He is hoping the engine alternator will provide most of the re charging while driving and toppling off with minimum generator use. Im waiting to see what he has to say when he returns.
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I would have thought there would be more responses. Anyway, I am looking at upgrading my PD4560 with the lithium converter charger PD4560LICSV (60-AMPS) and 1 or 2 Battleborn 100 amp 12v lithium batteries. Going to dip big time into my retirement savings, but what the heck.
My neighbor has already installed the PD4560LICSV (60-AMPS) and is hooking up his new lithium batteries today. He’s going on la long trip next Friday up to northern CA and Oregon for the holidays. I’m waiting to see how it performs for him. His small toy hauler has an energy grabbing 120v/12v fridge. He is hoping the engine alternator will provide most of the re charging while driving and toppling off with minimum generator use. I’m waiting to see what he has to say when he returns.
Just add a solar panel and controller to your install and take a 30% tax credit on the whole purchase and installation! Your BB batteries just got a 30% discount since they are part of the install.

Hopefully your neighbor has a battery monitor that will show how much charge is actually going to his batteries. My guess is that it won't be much unless he has a very large cable going between the alternator and his BB batteries. With my trailer and my BB batteries, I get a couple amps while towing.
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Hopefully your neighbor has a battery monitor that will show how much charge is actually going to his batteries. My guess is that it won't be much unless he has a very large cable going between the alternator and his BB batteries. With my trailer and my BB batteries, I get a couple amps while towing.
He has the Trimetric system with battery monitor. He believes that the alternator will give him 30 amps with his wiring of 10awg. Is that expecting too much? I will tell him about the tax credit.
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He has the Trimetric system with battery monitor. He believes that the alternator will give him 30 amps with his wiring of 10awg. Is that expecting too much? I will tell him about the tax credit.
Depends on how long the cable is. If he has 10 feet of cabling(round trip which is 10 feet of positive and 10 feet of negative) he will have 0.6V drop total. If the alternator is at 14.0V, that will bring it down to 13.4V which will likely not be good enough. If his cabling is longer than that, it will be even worse.
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Interesting thread on lithium upgrade:
Isata 5 36DS Lithium Upgrade

This is the second thread I have seen that comments on max current from LiFeP being an issue with starting the generator. Seems like wiring the generator starter to use the chassis battery might be a work-around, if this issue is real.
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