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Old 04-17-2016, 08:01 AM   #11
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I think Spring has Sprung !!!
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:18 AM   #12
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Well heck, back from Florida spring break trip. Had two nights around 28 and I ran furnace and arctic pacs. Unfortunately that was not enough and froze and split the outside shower faucet. It spilt after the valve so just need to leave it off.

So much for winter camping and the value of arctic pac and heated compartments. There is always a weak link to a design. In this case outside shower and I suspect low point drain as both outside and exposed!



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Sorry to hear that, mate! 😣 the Arctic pals Will protect the two holding tanks. The furnace will provide protection to everything within the warm area, which may include the fresh water tank. However, the only safe way to protect the exposed lines and fixtures is to drain the lines for the night. I'm wondering if maybe it fell below 28 for some period of time? Thankfully it was just that one fixed year and, as you said, it can be closed off with a valve so you can use the rest of the unit.


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Old 04-18-2016, 09:19 AM   #13
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I think Spring has Sprung !!!

Summer struck suddenly, with temperatures rising to the mid to upper 70s. We had our first outing this past weekend.


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Old 04-19-2016, 07:42 AM   #14
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Mid 80s here yesterday,,, cool & cloudy this morning,,, good day to work out side,,, maybe even install a Awing Pole Kit ???
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OK found a solution to my freezing outside shower. The connection is in the back of the bathroom vanity. So will add shut off/isolation valves and just drain/blow out the shower faucet before cold weather. Also plan to fill the outside shower cabinet with insulation just for added protection. This will allow me to use the rest of the water system when cold.

Still leaves the low point drain underneath the camper exposed but not by much.

Of course don't have to worry about freezing again for a few months but really hope to do some winter camping at some point. That is one of the reasons I bought this camper with enclosed heat plumbing and artic pacs.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the low point drains. Here's why...

When water freezes, it freezes from the outside in. So a tube of water would still be "wet" inside this column or tube for a short while even when the outside of the water column freezes.

So, the low point drains are not blocked at the upper end of the water column. The water has a place to go as it freezes. That is unlike the outside shower head, which is water in an enclosed space that has no place to go, so it breaks the shower head, or anything else where water would be enclosed without relief.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the low point drains. Here's why...



When water freezes, it freezes from the outside in. So a tube of water would still be "wet" inside this column or tube for a short while even when the outside of the water column freezes.



So, the low point drains are not blocked at the upper end of the water column. The water has a place to go as it freezes. That is unlike the outside shower head, which is water in an enclosed space that has no place to go, so it breaks the shower head, or anything else where water would be enclosed without relief.

Good point. THANKS!



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Old 05-29-2016, 09:46 AM   #18
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For pop-up freezes after we dewinterize, we blow the lines clear with air through the external water connection. Then leave all the faucets open. The tank has enough inertia to weather quick freezes but after valves on external things like the shower, its the most vulnerable. We have a space heater that we put in the compartment after removing the pump access door.
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Don't forget to clear water out of P traps under sinks. This too can and does freeze, and will destroy those fittings.
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Also external shower, sprayer or sink.


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