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10-25-2018, 06:30 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Fresh Water tank overflows and then empties
i have a 2018 Georgetown 31L5 that the fresh water tank empties itself after it overflows from filling, is there a check valve that failed and then the tank siphons itself empty? The fresh tank will also fill and overflow from the city water hook up over time, per Forrest River the water pump check failed, i have a new pump not yet installed and an external check valve to put in.
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10-25-2018, 10:07 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Post Falls, ID
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Regarding the fresh water tank siphoning out after fill-up here's what happened on my coach:
First, the water tank overflow pipe is on the top right (passenger side) of the tank (which is under the bed on my '16 270S). The overflow pipe exits under the coach at a point that is lower than the tank floor (also on the right side). I found that filling the tank with the coach parked at the curb on a normally crowned residential street created a problem where the right side of the coach is lower than the left. This put the overflow pipe (due to the tilt of the coach) lower than the water level in the tank and the water would siphon out until equilibrium was reached. I often would show up at my camping destination with 1/4 to 1/3 of my fresh water gone.
I solved this by putting a valve in the overflow line so I can shut off the overflow pipe after I've filled the tank, preventing the water from siphoning out. I then drive to my destination and open the valve once the coach is leveled before using the water system. This has saved me lots of aggravation and water over time as I rarely camp where city water is available.
Good luck. - Mark
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10-25-2018, 10:45 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: North of Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by my10539isok
Regarding the fresh water tank siphoning out after fill-up here's what happened on my coach:
First, the water tank overflow pipe is on the top right (passenger side) of the tank (which is under the bed on my '16 270S). The overflow pipe exits under the coach at a point that is lower than the tank floor (also on the right side). I found that filling the tank with the coach parked at the curb on a normally crowned residential street created a problem where the right side of the coach is lower than the left. This put the overflow pipe (due to the tilt of the coach) lower than the water level in the tank and the water would siphon out until equilibrium was reached. I often would show up at my camping destination with 1/4 to 1/3 of my fresh water gone.
I solved this by putting a valve in the overflow line so I can shut off the overflow pipe after I've filled the tank, preventing the water from siphoning out. I then drive to my destination and open the valve once the coach is leveled before using the water system. This has saved me lots of aggravation and water over time as I rarely camp where city water is available.
Good luck. - Mark
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If you can access the highest point of your overflow line, put a Tee in it at the highest point then run a line to a higher point, even through the side of the coach using a fuel tank vent from a marine supply co. These are just chrome plated brass "buttons" that provide a hose connection on the inside and have a screen on the outside and secured with a nut on the threaded body.
This will break the vacuum formed when the water starts to siphon and siphon action stops. The technical term for this would be a "vacuum break" and not as expensive as a device that carries that name
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10-27-2018, 07:01 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
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This procedure (provided several years ago by another forum member) works to reset the check valve:
Turn off city water
Turn off water pump if on.
Turn on any faucet wait 1 min
Turn on water pump
let water run 1 min
Turn off faucet
turn off water pump
Wait for water pump to quit running
Turn on city water
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10-27-2018, 12:58 PM
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Carknocker Family
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 690
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Quote:
Originally Posted by my10539isok
I solved this by putting a valve in the overflow line so I can shut off the overflow pipe after I've filled the tank, preventing the water from siphoning out. I then drive to my destination and open the valve once the coach is leveled before using the water system. This has saved me lots of aggravation and water over time as I rarely camp where city water is available.
Good luck. - Mark
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Although not a coach, this what I did on my tt and have not had a problem since. Just don't forget to open valve once you start to use your onboard pump
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10-27-2018, 01:49 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 477
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Sorry, there is no check valve to reset.
I have a 2017 GT 31L5. Congratulations on your new coach. It is a teriffic vehicle.
I had the same problem. The factory has no solution. It is a factory design issue that isn't being worked on to resolve.
You have to find a way to break the vacuum. Once it is broken, the siphon stops.
Here's the easy solution I came up with:
After your tank is full and the siphon begins, use your wonderful hydraulic jacks (right side only in manual mode) to tip the coach seriously to the left.
That's it. That's all you have to do.
After tipping, the siphon is broken. You can then retract the jacks and continue preparing for your next adventure. Since the siphon is broken, retracting the jacks won't start the tank-emptying again.
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10-28-2018, 04:47 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 521
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This is a topic that I have seen since becoming a member in 2011. On my unit, a 378, I did what a lot of folks did. I put a tee in the water tank overflow hose, right at the tank overflow port. Ran a hose from the tee to a spot higher than the tank level and installed a vacuum breaker. Problem solved, no more problems. Good luck on yours.
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10-28-2018, 06:27 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Oklahoma
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Per a recommendation on another list, I simple popped the overflow off at the tank nipple, drilled an 1/8 in hole at the top of the "bend" where it goes into the tank, and reattached it. No muss, no fuss, no parts necessary and about a 15 minute job. So far, so good.
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10-29-2018, 03:00 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 278
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When mine starts siphoning while filling, I just turn on the pump and crack a water faucet, that stops the siphon.
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12-22-2019, 01:00 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
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Man, this just worked on the 2019 369DS. Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 360true
This procedure (provided several years ago by another forum member) works to reset the check valve:
Turn off city water
Turn off water pump if on.
Turn on any faucet wait 1 min
Turn on water pump
let water run 1 min
Turn off faucet
turn off water pump
Wait for water pump to quit running
Turn on city water
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Thank you for this. Helped greatly.
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12-22-2019, 04:55 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Ooltewah, TN
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Be very careful if you completely seal the overflow line. There needs to be some way of preventing the tank from pressurizing when filling it.
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12-23-2019, 06:12 PM
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Senior Member
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One person said they stuck a small diameter piece of plastic tubing up the overflow until it stopped. Then they bent it up in a U shape and secured it. When a siphon started it sucked air in the new tube and broke the siphon.
Ray
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12-24-2019, 07:07 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Alaska
Posts: 1,827
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FIX for "Fresh water tank self draining"
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01-15-2020, 07:19 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Boise County, ID
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Just reading this. I’m confused. It seems to me any siphon would break as soon as the water dropped below the vent (overflow) connection. Or earlier due to siphon pulling a vacuum in the tank.
The overflow line is also the vent that allows air to enter as the tank is pumped down.
I’ve never had this problem with over 50 years of every kind of RV.
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01-15-2020, 07:56 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Summit Township
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We had the same issue on our Hemisphere. We had two overflow/vents. They removed one and extended the other above the tank then looped back down. As for adding a shut off to the overflow, NOT A GOOD IDEA. If that vent is ever closed and you use water the FW tank will likely collapse. It needs the vent to operate properly.
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01-18-2020, 06:35 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 18
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I experienced this once. Filled up to overflowing and by the time I got to the campsite I had only 1/2 tank of water left. Since then I inserted a large bore IV catheter (yes - I know - not an easy item to obtain but the principle is the same) at the peak of the overflow tubing. This allows enough air into the line to break the vacuum when the tank is no longer actually overfilled. So far I've not had a repeat of the failure.
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01-18-2020, 07:01 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Boise County, ID
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RN_EMT-P
I experienced this once. Filled up to overflowing and by the time I got to the campsite I had only 1/2 tank of water left. Since then I inserted a large bore IV catheter (yes - I know - not an easy item to obtain but the principle is the same) at the peak of the overflow tubing. This allows enough air into the line to break the vacuum when the tank is no longer actually overfilled. So far I've not had a repeat of the failure.
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I still do not understand how the water can drain below where the overflow line/ vent connects to the tank...near or at the top.
Physics says not. When the water drops below the connection there is only the air that was compressed above the connection. No way for the remaining water to leap up into the connection. Unless the tank collapses...which is unlikely unless you greatly changed elevation.
Can someone make a case?
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01-18-2020, 07:40 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Alaska
Posts: 1,827
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IDguy
I still do not understand how the water can drain below where the overflow line/ vent connects to the tank...near or at the top.
Physics says not. When the water drops below the connection there is only the air that was compressed above the connection. No way for the remaining water to leap up into the connection. Unless the tank collapses...which is unlikely unless you greatly changed elevation.
Can someone make a case?
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My plastic fresh water tank was sucked dry like a juice-box.
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01-19-2020, 08:58 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Boise County, ID
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rk06382
My plastic fresh water tank was sucked dry like a juice-box.
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Try sucking a juice box dry with the straw stuck in just 1/2 inch.
I’m still not understanding how the tank can empty (without getting sucked flat, which seems unlikely) when the overflow/vent connection is near the top. But if it is getting totally squished then I’d understand. That would happen with a plastic bag but the fresh water tanks are somewhat robust.
Guess I also don’t understand the picture.
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01-20-2020, 12:26 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Alaska
Posts: 1,827
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IDguy
Try sucking a juice box dry with the straw stuck in just 1/2 inch.
I’m still not understanding how the tank can empty (without getting sucked flat, which seems unlikely) when the overflow/vent connection is near the top. But if it is getting totally squished then I’d understand. That would happen with a plastic bag but the fresh water tanks are somewhat robust.
Guess I also don’t understand the picture.
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The picture was taken with my cell phone over the top of my fresh water tank. This what the tank looks like full of water.
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