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Old 12-28-2015, 10:14 PM   #21
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You have a Banks system so why not go with a performance converter?

Here's a 3" Flowmaster
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:54 AM   #22
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I've got all your sources and replacement recommendations down. Looks like this won't end up being the issue I was concerned it would be. Thanks.
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:17 AM   #23
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Not necessarily ............................. You have to prove the dealer did not take reasonable care of the vehicle ...... Likely you would have to take the dealer / ins co. to court & you would likely loose........


Common for Cats to get stolen around here.....
You're mistaken. The liability goes to; reasonable expectation doctrine. By that it is "assumed" your vehicle is safe from vandals while in the care and custody of the dealer/repair facility. You are correct that the insurance company will try and skate, thats a tactic they employ often. However, if the dealer refuses to make you whole prior to the loss, because they do not want to engage their insurance, a simple filing with small claims often brings them to their senses. Too often, those that are accountable get away with what should be good business practice and customer service. But, for those like Bigmac if he so choses, who want to lighten their wallets, heck it's a free country!
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Old 12-29-2015, 10:16 AM   #24
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You're mistaken. The liability goes to; reasonable expectation doctrine. By that it is "assumed" your vehicle is safe from vandals while in the care and custody of the dealer/repair facility. You are correct that the insurance company will try and skate, thats a tactic they employ often. However, if the dealer refuses to make you whole prior to the loss, because they do not want to engage their insurance, a simple filing with small claims often brings them to their senses. Too often, those that are accountable get away with what should be good business practice and customer service. But, for those like Bigmac if he so choses, who want to lighten their wallets, heck it's a free country!
That might work in your state but not here, all the dealer would need is reasonable care.......... after that is court & 9 out of 10 the dealer would win. Seen it all to often...........
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:48 PM   #25
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That might work in your state but not here, all the dealer would need is reasonable care.......... after that is court & 9 out of 10 the dealer would win. Seen it all to often...........
The operative word is "doctrine" the meaning is the general application of the law, without regard to jurisdictional bounds. That is what doctrine means in the word smith realm. I left out the requirement, as is the case in your state, that the corporation MUST be represented by an attorney ' Virginia follows the majority rule which states that an LLC or Corporation is a separate and distinct entity from the owners. To clarify, a non-attorney couldn’t represent their neighbor in a Virginia court. The rules are exactly the same for LLCs or Corporations. If the non-attorney tries to represent the LLC/Corporation, they are committing a crime in Virginia. Va. Code Ann. § 54.1-3904.'

So, the decision becomes; does the dealership, which certainly is a corporation, spend $10 to save $2. In other words, it MUST pay a lawyer to represent, thus it is cheaper to submit the claim to their insurance company. Hope that clarifies it better for you.

The moral here is; if they don't want to follow best business practices, then pull the proverbial rabbit out of the HAT!

Hope that helps you in making my point clearer.
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Old 12-29-2015, 01:03 PM   #26
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1st. Still Kickin seems to be the person i would rely on.
2nd Take the thing to a muffler shop and have them put a Cat on it. Jeez
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Old 12-29-2015, 01:20 PM   #27
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Just call Banks and ask what they would recommend! Since you have their system already!
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:19 PM   #28
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The operative word is "doctrine" the meaning is the general application of the law, without regard to jurisdictional bounds. That is what doctrine means in the word smith realm. I left out the requirement, as is the case in your state, that the corporation MUST be represented by an attorney ' Virginia follows the majority rule which states that an LLC or Corporation is a separate and distinct entity from the owners. To clarify, a non-attorney couldn’t represent their neighbor in a Virginia court. The rules are exactly the same for LLCs or Corporations. If the non-attorney tries to represent the LLC/Corporation, they are committing a crime in Virginia. Va. Code Ann. § 54.1-3904.'

So, the decision becomes; does the dealership, which certainly is a corporation, spend $10 to save $2. In other words, it MUST pay a lawyer to represent, thus it is cheaper to submit the claim to their insurance company. Hope that clarifies it better for you.

The moral here is; if they don't want to follow best business practices, then pull the proverbial rabbit out of the HAT!

Hope that helps you in making my point clearer.

I'm not going to argue the point any more...... you will not get a dime from the dealer here period................. Good Luck Trying..........
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Old 12-29-2015, 11:20 PM   #29
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I agree with Oaklevel. At our dealership you sign a waiver stating we are not liable for your vehicle before you leave it. Have seen vehicles totaled and customers insurance is on the hook not dealer. Just saying.
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