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Old 01-06-2013, 02:35 PM   #11
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Hi Jim.

Highways in northern Ontario are almost entirely two-lane with the odd passing lane here and there. The speed limit is 90 kph -basically 55 mph.
An oft-repeated joke in that country is that there are two seasons; winter and road construction. Plan on being delayed at some point(s).

Things are definitely more expensive up here and the two currencies have been pretty close to parity for some time now. Be sure to keep that in mind when budgeting for the trip.

Two highways cross northern Ontario:
Highway 11 which runs from North Bay to Nipigon (an hour or so east of Thunder bay) and has the virtue of being relatively flat and easy to drive.
Highway 17 -which is part of the Trans-Canada Highway- follows the north shore of Lake Superior and the scenery is nothing short of spectacular. There are some pretty steep grades though.
In either case, when you see a gas station it's a good policy to stop and top up your tank. They are few and far between in spots.

There is lots of wildlife all through there; lots of moose, lots of bears, it's a good idea to stay off the roads after dark if you can help it.

As mentioned, leave your gun at home. If you're worried about bears you can buy a can of bear spray at any Canadian Tire store.

You should have a good trip. It's pretty country and the people are generally nice. I'm more partial to the provincial parks but you'll have plenty of options. I used to spend a lot of time at Lake Superior Provincial Park just north of the Soo.

Othar than that, all I can do is advise against trying to exit the country at Thunder Bay. Unless your rig is extremely seaworthy .

Enjoy!
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:50 PM   #12
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You worries about your towing set-up, just bring lots of money. Hopefully you're aware the Canadian Firearms laws are very different (and I'm not looking to start any debate!)

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Thanks Dave I'll leave the guns at home ! But where do I get the cash ? Jim
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:54 PM   #13
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Farmer Jim, you might want to go to the FROG website, www.forestriverfrog.com, and click on "Useful Links." You'll find links to both the Canada Border Services Agency and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. There should be helpful information on both sites.
Thanks Bob , I've followed your advice and learned a lot and I'm not done following up on it yet ! This FR forum is so useful ! Looking forward to making one of the frog get togethers ! Jim
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:38 PM   #14
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Hi Jim.

Highways in northern Ontario are almost entirely two-lane with the odd passing lane here and there. The speed limit is 90 kph -basically 55 mph.
An oft-repeated joke in that country is that there are two seasons; winter and road construction. Plan on being delayed at some point(s)....Enjoy!

Farmer, quick rule of thumb that I go by to convert speeds/distances is to take the speed in kilometers, drop the ending 0 (zero) and multiply by 6 (ie: 90 = 9, 9*6 = 54 mph. 50 = 5, 5*6 = 30mph, etc.) Works the same for distances too... 120 km = 12, 12*6 = 72 miles (actual conversion of 120 km = 74.5 miles) You get the idea... By using the "6" rule, you will always calculate lower than actual conversion and should avoid all tickets if you set your cruise...

Walk up to a Tim Hortons and ask for the large double-double (if you like your coffee with some sweetness)....

Best of luck,

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Farmer, quick rule of thumb that I go by to convert speeds/distances is to take the speed in kilometers, drop the ending 0 (zero) and multiply by 6 (ie: 90 = 9, 9*6 = 54 mph. 50 = 5, 5*6 = 30mph, etc.) Works the same for distances too... 120 km = 12, 12*6 = 72 miles (actual conversion of 120 km = 74.5 miles) You get the idea... By using the "6" rule, you will always calculate lower than actual conversion and should avoid all tickets if you set your cruise...

Walk up to a Tim Hortons and ask for the large double-double (if you like your coffee with some sweetness)....

Best of luck,

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Good Lord that's complicated!

It's far easier to memorize:
50kmh = 30mph
90kmh = 55mph
100kmh = 60mph
120kmh = $210.oo and four points off your licence
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Old 01-07-2013, 07:16 PM   #16
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Thanks to everyone for the great info ! I hope more members will give me advice on this trip.
timarti-- The Provincial Parks are lovely and do keep a portion of their sites for same day bookings, but like the USA State Parks, the sites are not huge; however, they can be booked online and you can see pix of each site and specify size of rig, pull thu, etc. Google Ontario Provincial Parks. Also Camping In Ontario has an excellent free campground guide put out by the Private Campgrounds Association on Ontario.
This is great info and we will use it! Thanks Tina & Ted!
prairiecamper--I personally would not use international falls as a crossing, I did it once did not like it. As I recall narrow single lane, and I believe a toll to get across river.
Thanks several suggested not crossing at international falls ! Thanks prairiecamper!
Hutch333id-- Presently, the Canadian 'Lonnie' is pretty much on par with the US greenback.
Where do we "change" our dollars to lonnies ?
I have similar issues traveling south and tend to leave everything until we find a grocery store close to where we are staying - that and it is sometimes cheaper.
Do you have your version of Walmart ? Thanks Richard &Diane
extremebike-- If you are travelling north on highway #17 from Sault Ste Marie to Thunder Bay you will see lots of hills and truck runoffs north of the Sault. There is a long grade just north of the Sault.
How big a grade ? 7%? Thanks extremebike !
caper--Plus gas up at Sault Ste. Marie. It is a long drive to Wawa. There is gas available at Montreal River but the station is located on a hill and not well marked.
Great info to know ! Thanks Terry and Janet
sreddy--Hello Jim, do you have a time of year that you re thinking of -- this may impact campground availability along with other items.
We think it will be June . Weather should be good? Thanks sreddy !
dwaynerz--dont forget clearances are set in meters as well. forget the conversion for them, but i think 4 meters is about 13 ft. somebody will be along shortly to correct both my memory and my math ,and tim hortons coffee and donuts are excellent.
Hope someone can tell more about overpasses and meters ! Thanks for the info and I'll check out the donuts and coffee . Never been to a Tim Hortons . Thanks dwaynerz!
Yukon Don--Highway 17 -which is part of the Trans-Canada Highway- follows the north shore of Lake Superior and the scenery is nothing short of spectacular. There are some pretty steep grades though.
How steep ?
There is lots of wildlife all through there; lots of moose, lots of bears, it's a good idea to stay off the roads after dark if you can help it.
We will!
If you're worried about bears you can buy a can of bear spray at any Canadian Tire store .
We are and we will!
You should have a good trip. It's pretty country and the people are generally nice.

We hope to meet some of the "nice " ones !
Other than that, all I can do is advise against trying to exit the country at Thunder Bay. Unless your rig is extremely seaworthy .

After looking closely at a map , I think I'll follow your advice ! Thanks Don!
Thanks to all! Jim
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If you are going 50kph (30mph) over the speed limit it is considered street racing and you are subject to a 7 day driving suspension and a fine of $2000 to $10,000 and your vehicle will be impounded.
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Not just firearms! Any "personal defensive devices" are prohibited.

No pepper spray; no mace; no folding knives (the fighting kind); no ammunition or components; etc.

"Bear Spray" is OK, but be ready to say that is what it is...
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Jim, it's been a couple of years since I went through there, but yes, there are plenty of spots where you'll be driving on 7% grades. Most of those spots have passing lanes. It's no different from mountain driving if you've done any of that. Keep your speed down on the downhill runs and you'll be fine.

You can exchange your money at any bank but pretty much everyone accepts US money anyways (can't speak for the exchange rates they'll offer though).

There are Walmart stores in Canada, btw.
And plan for bugs in June. Black flies especially.

Herk -you're absolutely right. No batons, either. It might be easier for Jim to just stop at the first Canadian Tire store he sees and grab some bear spray there.

(P.S. Jim -it's "loonie" not lonnie. We're sticky about such things.
P.P.S. The two dollar coin features a polar bear. It's known as the "toonie". Some irreverent types call it the "moonie" because it shows the Queen with a bear behind. Don't do that...
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Not just firearms! Any "personal defensive devices" are prohibited.

No pepper spray; no mace; no folding knives (the fighting kind); no ammunition or components; etc.

"Bear Spray" is OK, but be ready to say that is what it is...
I'm dangerous with a slingshot...would this be prohibited also? Just curious
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