Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-26-2016, 09:29 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 301
2390 suggestions

I see the new 2390 floor plan. How about twin beds?

If I'm not mistaken, a twin bed floor plan is the best seller for both Phoenix Cruiser and Lazy Daze. We'd love one.
__________________

__________________
2014 Sunseeker 2300 Chevy
Snowman9000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2016, 08:11 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
geeman53's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 2,146
I would turn the twin bed floor plan into a king size bed w/ a filler . Room to stretch !
__________________

__________________
2016 sunseeker 2250slec
1988 Jayco p.u.,Coleman Plantation p.u.,1989 Jayco class c, Coachman TT,1995 Little Eddie fthwheel,2007 Heartland Sundance 2500 lS fthwheel
geeman53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2016, 10:36 AM   #3
Class C Representative
 
Joshua Cavitt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: In a van down by the river
Posts: 605
Keep them coming. We love the ideas!
__________________
PLEASE do not send questions via Profile comments or Private Message, my inbox fills up too quickly. Post questions in the forum as a new thread so that other users can benefit from the answers. Use Private Messages for sensitive information only (VIN, Contact info or things you do not want the public to see).
Joshua Cavitt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2016, 12:56 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 301
I know that most C's are targeted to families with kids. I'm sure that is the meat of the market. But there is also a good sized niche of couples who would trade sleeping for six for some more windows, bigger bath, more counter space, and room to stretch out. My wife and I love the Lazy Daze floor plans and wide open feel. I've always been surprised that no other manufacturer copies any of their floor plans.

Done right, twin beds (with good foam and sleeping surface) can do triple duty. Sleeping, lounging/ TV watching, and dining.

Sleeping: make the foam comfy, and the cover with minimal surface seams and "things".
Lounging: Make it so the head end can be propped up. Probably not super important but it seems like a neat idea. It would really be cool if the whole bed could be made to assume the contour of a reclined lounge chair. Head up and knees up a little.
Dining option 1: Table that raises and lowers. Raise for dining and working. Lower to bed height for night stand. Or as geeman said, lowers to become part of a king bed. That would need another span piece, and flat cushions. I don't care for this myself. I'd rather see...
Option 2: A deep cabinet between the twin beds, with a small pull out table top for eating and working.

I would offer as an option something proprietary but similar to RV Superbags.

By getting rid of the dinette, your floorplan options expand like crazy! So many people hate the dinettes anyway.
__________________
2014 Sunseeker 2300 Chevy
Snowman9000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2016, 11:34 AM   #5
GM
 
bclemens's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Elkhart, IN
Posts: 7,091
Not to rain on the parade (because I'm not against twin beds), but we need to add some perspective.

We have to look at the "good sized niche"
According to Statistical Surveys, In 2015 Lazy Daze retail sold (9) units. 2014 they sold (22). Born Free, another company that does lots of twins...sold (16) units in 2015. Phoenix...(55).

Forest River Retail sold 3,000, Thor sold over 3,000, Winnebago 2715.

It takes a lot of engineering time to create new floor plans. While I think there is a market for twins...I don't think it is that big. Maybe in a true B-van, but not really in a Class C. So its difficult to spend all that engineering time for a floor plan that might sell 50-60 in a year.

Dynamax builds a twin bed and while it does OK, more people buy the REV RB with the drop down Queen bed.
__________________
PLEASE do not send questions via Private Message. Post questions in the forum as a new thread so that other users can benefit from the answers. Use Private Messages for sensitive information only. Our owners manuals are available online and via iPhone/Android Apps. http://www.dynamaxcorp.com/OnlineManual.aspx
bclemens is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2016, 12:16 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 301
Wow, those numbers are something. Thanks Brian. To use another of my favorite sayings, you are the skunk at the garden party.

I would think that if you exactly copied any LD floorplan, your dealers would still sell a lot more of it than the entire LD volume. It's probably not much about twin beds in the case of those other brands. It's more about distribution and price. But still, I get your point.
__________________
2014 Sunseeker 2300 Chevy
Snowman9000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 02:24 PM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 30
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by bclemens View Post
Not to rain on the parade (because I'm not against twin beds), but we need to add some perspective.

We have to look at the "good sized niche"
According to Statistical Surveys, In 2015 Lazy Daze retail sold (9) units. 2014 they sold (22). Born Free, another company that does lots of twins...sold (16) units in 2015. Phoenix...(55).

Forest River Retail sold 3,000, Thor sold over 3,000, Winnebago 2715.

It takes a lot of engineering time to create new floor plans. While I think there is a market for twins...I don't think it is that big. Maybe in a true B-van, but not really in a Class C. So its difficult to spend all that engineering time for a floor plan that might sell 50-60 in a year.

Dynamax builds a twin bed and while it does OK, more people buy the REV RB with the drop down Queen bed.
If you're going to design and build a twin bed floor plan, the twins should turn into a king for maximum versatility. Thor sells a steaming pile of Axis/Vegas 24.1 units with this configuration, which last I looked was their most popular Axis/Vegas floor plan. Similar setups by Winnebago sell pretty well too.

Aside from its excellent style and quality, the appeal of the REV 24RB is in its versatility and flexibility, a concept which is lost with many RV manufacturers.
__________________
Daddio62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 02:53 PM   #8
GM
 
bclemens's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Elkhart, IN
Posts: 7,091
The twins on the REV 24TB make into a large bed. The question is do you prefer compartmentalized or open?

For instance. Axis twins have a center bath. So it makes a small living area, compartmented bedroom, but large rear king and the bath is more readily accessible from the entry door.

On the other side. The 23D Winnie Trend has a rear bath. While that makes the bath harder to get to, it also make the interior space feel much larger since it is an open concept.

I doubt we would ever get consensus on that. But if it is more than two people...not sure how the 3rd passenger gets to the rear bathroom without waking up the whole house.
__________________
PLEASE do not send questions via Private Message. Post questions in the forum as a new thread so that other users can benefit from the answers. Use Private Messages for sensitive information only. Our owners manuals are available online and via iPhone/Android Apps. http://www.dynamaxcorp.com/OnlineManual.aspx
bclemens is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2016, 02:54 PM   #9
GM
 
bclemens's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Elkhart, IN
Posts: 7,091
One more thing, If I had the weight, even with a twin bed design,I would prefer the drop bed myself right over the twins. Just for the sheer fact of it being made up every day. Just raise the bed...mess gone.
__________________
PLEASE do not send questions via Private Message. Post questions in the forum as a new thread so that other users can benefit from the answers. Use Private Messages for sensitive information only. Our owners manuals are available online and via iPhone/Android Apps. http://www.dynamaxcorp.com/OnlineManual.aspx
bclemens is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2016, 12:36 AM   #10
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by bclemens View Post
The twins on the REV 24TB make into a large bed. The question is do you prefer compartmentalized or open?

For instance. Axis twins have a center bath. So it makes a small living area, compartmented bedroom, but large rear king and the bath is more readily accessible from the entry door.

On the other side. The 23D Winnie Trend has a rear bath. While that makes the bath harder to get to, it also make the interior space feel much larger since it is an open concept.

I doubt we would ever get consensus on that. But if it is more than two people...not sure how the 3rd passenger gets to the rear bathroom without waking up the whole house.
Good points Brian. After some in-person viewing and analysis, I prefer the open, flexible floor plan of the REV 24RB. This arrangement works well for many reasons, as long as the bed lift mechanism is fast, smooth, and most importantly reliable. I also like the more open feel when looking up at the bottom of the lifted REV bed. Compared to the Trend's more constricted design incorporating those small side cabinets and smaller coach windows, the REV's daytime living area feels considerably more spacious. Nice job!

While the Trend is a very nice coach for its class, when I weigh the factors that are important to me, the REV comes out on top overall. The most glaring things that make me shake my head at the Trend 23(B,L) are its cheap, hideous looking brown counter/table tops, the tiny kitchen sinks and some of the flooring options.

Several inferior kitchen components, along with the plastic toilet, flimsy bedroom mattress and that booty-bumping vinyl shower curtain are some of the areas that WBO tried to save weight on, in order to go with the heavier fiberglass roof. I have trouble getting past those shortcomings on a RV that I could be living with for weeks at a time. Another two cents in the bank...
__________________

__________________
Daddio62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




ForestRiverForums.com is not in any way associated with Forest River, Inc. or its associated RV manufacturing divisions.


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:22 AM.