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Old 03-13-2012, 03:02 PM   #1
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Alignment 2012 E-450

I know there is tons of info on this subject but I would like to hear it from someone at the factory, does the factory do an alignment on the front end once the unit is complete? Is it needed or a wast of $? I do not mind spending the cash but if it was truly done I don't want to do it again. I have no pulling or crazy ware on the tires but would like to get it done if it needs it before they start waring.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:38 PM   #2
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The ford twin I beam front end was designed in the early 60's and is not as good as the twin A arm front ends of today. Within the first 5 miles I knew mine was not right. It didn't pull but the steering was heavy and there was quite a bit of bump steer. Toe was off and the cross camber was not optimal. Made a world of difference to me. My dealer who took care of getting me full reimbursement for the cost. My impression from the dealer was FR does not do any alignment checks at the factory but assume it comes properly set from Ford.
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:56 PM   #3
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We do alignment checks for toe & camber...but with that front end design it is not uncommon for it to need realigned after a break in period.

I have a rental account that with the help of an alignment shop created a custom (non Ford) alignment spec. The only issue is to get to this spec you need to install adjustable cam bushings which adds to the cost.

The alignment really needs to get done after a couple thousand miles. We aligned some to their spec (had before readings) and by the time it got there it was 1/2" out. It seems if it is aligned after a couple thousand miles the alignment stays right on after that. Took (4) years to figure out what was happening (checking calibration on the machines and using several other shops). It would drive straight but they noticed uneven tire wear. I haven't heard any issues this year...we haven't altered the specs, so letting it settle in seemed to solve the issues. I wish there was something more scientific.
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We do alignment checks for toe & camber...but with that front end design it is not uncommon for it to need realigned after a break in period.

I have a rental account that with the help of an alignment shop created a custom (non Ford) alignment spec. The only issue is to get to this spec you need to install adjustable cam bushings which adds to the cost.

The alignment really needs to get done after a couple thousand miles. We aligned some to their spec (had before readings) and by the time it got there it was 1/2" out. It seems if it is aligned after a couple thousand miles the alignment stays right on after that. Took (4) years to figure out what was happening (checking calibration on the machines and using several other shops). It would drive straight but they noticed uneven tire wear. I haven't heard any issues this year...we haven't altered the specs, so letting it settle in seemed to solve the issues. I wish there was something more scientific.

Can you post the custom alignment specs you mentioned above?
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Attached are the specs.

Just to be sure, I am not endorsing these since they are not Ford recommended specs. These are simply the specs that one dealer has come up with that work for them.
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Attached are the specs.

Just to be sure, I am not endorsing these since they are not Ford recommended specs. These are simply the specs that one dealer has come up with that work for them.

Thanks. Comparing these with the data from my unit's alignment, I don't see anything in these specs that violate Fords. They seem to be just tighter tolerances within Fords band and pretty close to what I came up with. My toe is dead on with this at 0.06" in. As delivered it was 0.18" toed out. I'm running 1.0 positive camber both sides and 4.1 positive caster both sides so I have no offset. When I started I had camber and caster offset exactly the opposite of these specs. I moved in the right direction but not all the way to these specs. Maybe if I did, it would feel even better. Since I have only a 1000 miles on the unit, I'll wait for a few thousand miles then check it again. I did need to add the adjustable bushings to set it up.
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We do alignment checks for toe & camber...but with that front end design it is not uncommon for it to need realigned after a break in period.

I have a rental account that with the help of an alignment shop created a custom (non Ford) alignment spec. The only issue is to get to this spec you need to install adjustable cam bushings which adds to the cost.

The alignment really needs to get done after a couple thousand miles. We aligned some to their spec (had before readings) and by the time it got there it was 1/2" out. It seems if it is aligned after a couple thousand miles the alignment stays right on after that. Took (4) years to figure out what was happening (checking calibration on the machines and using several other shops). It would drive straight but they noticed uneven tire wear. I haven't heard any issues this year...we haven't altered the specs, so letting it settle in seemed to solve the issues. I wish there was something more scientific.
Thanks,, means a lot to be to get this info direct from the source....
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[QUOTE=bclemens;169742]We do alignment checks for toe & camber...but with that front end design it is not uncommon for it to need realigned after a break in period.

I have a rental account that with the help of an alignment shop created a custom (non Ford) alignment spec. The only issue is to get to this spec you need to install adjustable cam bushings which adds to the cost.

The alignment really needs to get done after a couple thousand miles. We aligned some to their spec (had before readings) and by the time it got there it was 1/2" out. It seems if it is aligned after a couple thousand miles the alignment stays right on after that. Took (4) years to figure out what was happening (checking calibration on the machines and using several other shops). It would drive straight but they noticed uneven tire wear. I haven't heard any issues this year...we haven't altered the specs, so letting it settle in seemed to solve the issues. I wish there was something more scientific.[/QUOTE

thank you for the info
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thank you for the infomation
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Thanks for all the help!
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