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Old 06-11-2016, 07:14 AM   #31
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Forest River could bolt an old run down dog box to thier chassis and Mercedes Benz would ask how many more can we ship you next month.

Just because its a class C means nothing. The poor quality and fit and finish are not selective. Its the entire industry.
Actually it tells you a whole lot about the quality of the work force and the pride they put into their jobs. My step-son lives in Indiana, unfortunately I cannot repeat what he says about the quality of the workforce there. If I did, I would get banned from this site. Quality help costs more and when a CEO is more interested in profit margin than satisfied customers, the quality disappears.

Ask most of the people here who are having issues if they will ever purchase from Forest River again and the odds on answer will be a resounding "no".

I know we won't

I acquired a 1998 Forest River Wildwood Fifth Wheel trailer from my father a few years back, I actually used it as a trade-in for the Sunseeker.

17 years old and the Dometic water heater, refrigerator, and Air conditioner still worked fine. The Suburban furnace still started and ran each and every time the thermostat called for heat. The inverter still worked as expected. Slide-out mechanism, hydraulic pump, and cylinder never missed a beat. The fit and finish on that 17 year old RV was still better than what we get today.

The very same companies still providing the same equipment yet we need extended warranties, why. pride in workmanship, profit margins, appeasing stock holders, and the cheapest price.

Who's fault is that, the average American's. People do not care for they are not in it for the long haul, most will sell within 5 years.

I spent 37 years in the construction industry, I still carry my electircal license. The workers today don't care, they don't take pride in their work. but I can't blame them one bit. Their bosses expect them to work for peanuts.

There is s saying in the housing industry, The carpenters start by measuring with a micrometer and then cutting with a chainsaw. Once they are done with the rough construction with walls out of plumb and rooms out of square, they just say who cares, the dry-wall man will cover it. The drywall man who leaves gaping holes says, who cares, the taper will cover them. When the taper is asked about the gouges he left behind, he says, who cares, the painter will repair them. when the painter is asked about the shoddy paint job, he says, who cares, the interior decorator will hide them.

Finally ask any real estate agent how they can get away with selling such poor workmanship, they will tell you, The purchaser never looks for quality, they just look at the price, because they only plan on having the place until their balloon payment comes due in five years.

The reason for the poor quality and low wages, We are all cheap and have forgotten about paying it forward
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Old 06-11-2016, 07:21 AM   #32
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Mr. Havercamp is correct

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Forest River could bolt an old run down dog box to thier chassis and Mercedes Benz would ask how many more can we ship you next month.

Just because its a class C means nothing. The poor quality and fit and finish are not selective. Its the entire industry. The only thing that will change it, and will change it only a small amount, is for thw economy to downturn or the prjce of fuel to hit the roof again. When sales slow down they'll maybe improve the quality control a little. Rigs built during / coming out of the last downturn of which we had two, a 2011 and 2013 were built better than our 2017 by a longshot.
Mercedes could care less and FR doesn't care much more. Why should they when they are selling everything they force out the door?

I'm going to look at a Leisure Time Unity on Monday. Not many dealers, probably not much discounting, but the quality, fit and finish appear to be light years ahead of the FR product. I expect customer service is too.
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Old 06-11-2016, 09:08 AM   #33
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That is definitely a problem. I hope you get this resolved. It is indeed frustrating to speed so much money on a new RV and to experience a definite lack of quality control from the manufacturer (along with sloppy workmanship) to the dealerships. I'm not sure what the answer is or even if there is an answer. Having said that, I think we all need to hold FR and bad dealerships accountable ...... use the power of the pen and social media to get the message out - this forum has certainly helped to at least make folks aware of many of the reported issues.
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Old 06-11-2016, 09:30 AM   #34
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Should be able to adjust it with a couple of wrenches. Make sure you adjust both ends accordingly.
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Old 06-11-2016, 11:31 AM   #35
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Forest River could bolt an old run down dog box to thier chassis and Mercedes Benz would ask how many more can we ship you next month.

Just because its a class C means nothing. The poor quality and fit and finish are not selective. Its the entire industry. The only thing that will change it, and will change it only a small amount, is for thw economy to downturn or the prjce of fuel to hit the roof again. When sales slow down they'll maybe improve the quality control a little. Rigs built during / coming out of the last downturn of which we had two, a 2011 and 2013 were built better than our 2017 by a longshot.
Now this is the truth. I have one of the last Sunseeker 3120's built and it is solid as can be (except for the slide corner). Perhaps if FR receives enough contact from a group of people (all professional and non-threatening) they may actually take a look.

I put a deposit down on a new Forester 3171 - but looking at some of the posts about front cab leaks, I pulled the deposit back and cancelled my purchase. I want to see if Forest River reacts before I spend 80,000 on a new MH.
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Old 06-11-2016, 01:44 PM   #36
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Slimjc, is yours the Lippert Above Floor Slide too?
Since I have an appointment with my dealer this Monday morning, I am trying to get as much information and feed back on the adjustment. My dealer has undergone a change in technicians and may not be aware of how to make adjustments.
One thought is that if an adjustment is made on the leading bottom edge of the slide to bring it in tighter, it will have an equal opposite effect on the seals when the slide is out. Hence, it may not seal when out.
Let's see what my dealer says!
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Slimjc, is yours the Lippert Above Floor Slide too?
Since I have an appointment with my dealer this Monday morning, I am trying to get as much information and feed back on the adjustment. My dealer has undergone a change in technicians and may not be aware of how to make adjustments.
One thought is that if an adjustment is made on the leading bottom edge of the slide to bring it in tighter, it will have an equal opposite effect on the seals when the slide is out. Hence, it may not seal when out.
Let's see what my dealer says!
Yes - mine is the above floor version. It works and does not leak, and by the looks of things it is not as bad as others. It just seems to be wrong
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Yes - mine is the above floor version. It works and does not leak, and by the looks of things it is not as bad as others. It just seems to be wrong
Yes, it doesn't look right and mine seems to be the worst from the photos so far.
Will post what happens at the dealer Monday afternoon.
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Yes, it doesn't look right and mine seems to be the worst from the photos so far.
Will post what happens at the dealer Monday afternoon.
Thanks Sage - very interested in the verdict. Since this thread started I have been to three dealerships looking at all kinds of brands, both A and C. I can tell you from what I have found, that FR seems to be one of the only coaches with this issues. Yes - an brand new 2016 3171 had the exact issue. The Thor slides seem to be tight - The Bounder, Four Winds, Coachman Freelander - all aligned properly - oh the joys.
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Old 06-11-2016, 03:44 PM   #40
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If the slide is square to the wall it will seal in and out since the wall is the stop. That system has no stops on the mechanism. It may take removing the slide to square it up.
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