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Old 11-10-2014, 11:37 PM   #11
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I am told it is not a problem...apparently it is designed that way. I sent this up the river to the engineers at Bargman basically saying I was tired of the complaints. They call it a "drain and dry" design. They say if they seal it and water does infiltrate, then the water has no place to drain.
Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago....Engineers design it...common folk make it fit or work! LOL
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:38 AM   #12
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Engineers design what works, purchasing agents buy what's cheapest, then marketing sells it for slightly less than the good design.

Then engineers get blamed because the designed-to-a-price junk fails.

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Old 11-11-2014, 08:55 AM   #13
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The LED conversion is a great solution to the problem after-market. Could Bargman produce a product that could be used as an original install? I switched to LEDs as a safety factor. Almost got rear-ended on Interstate when stopped for crash. Car turned at last second and ended in the ditch beside my passenger door. The LEDs are 10 times brighter than the incandescents that come on the MH. The LED backup lights are also very bright which is great for backing into campsite in the dark. (See my pictures posted above.) 100% Correct! LEDs so (The OTHER GUY) can see YOU! Youroo!! PS and the LEDs are Totally sealed/No Water!


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Old 11-11-2014, 09:23 AM   #14
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Engineers design what works, purchasing agents buy what's cheapest, then marketing sells it for slightly less than the good design.

Then engineers get blamed because the designed-to-a-price junk fails.

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Very true.

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Old 11-11-2014, 09:51 AM   #15
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I am told it is not a problem...apparently it is designed that way. I sent this up the river to the engineers at Bargman basically saying I was tired of the complaints. They call it a "drain and dry" design. They say if they seal it and water does infiltrate, then the water has no place to drain.
Spurious logic...
If it is sealed, water can not infiltrate, if it was not possible to properly seal a lens housing then every car going down the road would look like it has 2 red fish tanks in the back.

As for the lens filling up from condensate... sealed lenses would also solve this problem. All those clear lenses were all chinese crap with phony DOT labels. They were sealed as well as a submarine with a screen door.
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Old 11-11-2014, 12:53 PM   #16
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Preaching to the choir. I am already looking for other options.
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I put a strip of black electrical tape under the lens cover and over the raised edge of the lamp base to help form better seal. Worked like a charm.


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I am told it is not a problem...apparently it is designed that way. I sent this up the river to the engineers at Bargman basically saying I was tired of the complaints. They call it a "drain and dry" design. They say if they seal it and water does infiltrate, then the water has no place to drain.
Did you have the urge to strangle them?

If they are a "drain and dry" design why do they do neither? Then every year you also need to remove the lens and wash them (don't forget to dry them) as they fill up with dirt and further cloud the lens. What a crock. I know you need to be PC but I don't.

And it is great that you spend time here to help. Thank you!
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Did you have the urge to strangle them?

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You read my mind. I had 20 samples of tail lights in my office the day after I got their email.
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You can add mine to the list. I keep a supply of bulbs in the glove box....
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