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Old 07-05-2016, 12:57 PM   #1
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Why you should weigh your "C" even if you don't need to.

First off. Have owned MANY RV's of different types and sizes. Currently own a 2013 Sunseeker 2300 on a Chevy 4500 chassis. Having weighed a prior 2005 25' Jayco Escapade on a Chevy 3500 chassis, carrying similar stuff, assumed no need to weigh the current coach. WRONG, but for different reasons than the obvious.

On the way from Louisiana to Orlando RVone to look at, and assumed would trade for a new Sunseeker 3010ds. Thought struck me, maybe CCC could be a problem, so at next fuel up, weighed the coach. All in, as traveled, full of fuel, 1/4 propane, wife and self (likely 370#) and full water tank:

Front Axle: 3580# (4600# FAWR)
Rear Axle: 8960# (9600# RAWR)
Gross: 12520# (14200# GAWR, 4200# sticker CCC)

(For those that find the weigh ticket suspect, as I did, verified almost identical weights at the next gas fill up. FYI, averaged 10.7 mpg, 65mph Interstate)

SO: I have 14200 - 12520 = 1680# of remaining CCC, or said another way, I have USED 4200 - 1680 = 2520# of CCC and only carrying our normal camping stuff. AND WE WERE LOOKING to carry MORE stuff in a new coach!

Needless to say the SS 3010 at 1950#CCC (door sticker) wasn't going to cut it, nor will any of the class "C's" over 28' length. Saw some Jayco Greyhawks there and the situation is even worst.

Now here is the kicker. I normally travel my SS 2300 (3 years, 43,000 mi) with the door sticker tire pressures of 65 front, 80 back. It didn't handle as well as my prior Chevy, but well enough. Had tires re-balanced a few weeks ago, and the tire guy aired the front to 70# and admonished me to never put less than 10# under the tire rated pressure, regardless of the load. Drove home - terrible! So took them back down to 60# on the premise that if 5# up made it a lot worst, then maybe 5# down would make it even better than before -- WHICH IT DID.

SO: Here's my take. All that stuff I carry in the back compartment, the full water tank under the bed, and the pair of electric bikes hung on the bumper took load off the front axle and put load on the rear, rendering the 65# front tire pressure for the 4600# FAWR overkill. In fact, the tire tables for my tires, at 3600# show 50 psi good for 3880 #.

I'm going to stay at 60 because the unit handles really good at that tire pressure (the change from 70 was dramatic), individual tire loads could vary by 200# or more, and any decrease in the rear load (travel without bikes, etc) will result in increasing the front axle load.

Oh, and yes, we looked at, and I think we're going to buy a Georgetown Class "A", 3500# CCC but keeping the Sunseeker 2300 because we really, really like it as a travel vehicle. Just wish the SS 3010 had more CCC.
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Old 07-05-2016, 01:51 PM   #2
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I weighed our 3011 with everything we camp with including a full load of food, full fuel, less than 1/3 tank of water and empty black/grey tanks. I figure I am about 100# over when we leave until i get down to 3/4 fuel. CCC is only 1550 with the options. I can reduce the load by putting it in the toad.

Not the best but we live with it. Our 35' Flagstaff had a CCC of 1000# which was a joke. Everything with any weight had to go in the TV
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Old 07-05-2016, 01:58 PM   #3
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You probably have jacks eating into the CCC. I made the post just to offer the recognition that you can easily put more into the larger "C's" than they are rated for, AND, that stuff we all put in the huge rear compartment can affect how much air we should carry in the FRONT.

I wouldn't worry 100#, or even 500# over. I worry when I get beyond the tire carrying capacity.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:15 PM   #4
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MY 2251 was only 10,300 with 1/2 tanks (water and gas - nothing in the holding), normal camping stuff I leave in the unit and nobody inside.
I estimate about 11k with normal trip stuff (wife and I at 350 total pounds plus stuff).
Nothing on the hitch racks.
Your 12500 seems a lot for the 24 ft rig.
You must carry a lot of stuff.
And I have one small slide.
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:53 AM   #5
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Our SS3010. 14200 fully loaded on trip, full fuel, 1/2 fresh, 1/3 grey and black, SRX on a dolly. 19300 combined on the CAT Scale.
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Old 07-07-2016, 11:54 AM   #6
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In all fairness, when we travel it's usually not knowing where we are going, or for how long, or where we will camp. We "wander" a lot. So we carry full water, propane, hot and cold clothing, BBQ grills, spare charcoal, tool kits for repairs, fans, spare cold drinks, spare 12 pack beer and a full frig. There are a lot of really nice primitive USFS campgrounds and we like to be able to take advantage when we see them. Hence, we travel "fully packed". 2500# has been fairly consistent over the last two 25' class "C's". 3500# over our last 2 (33' & 36') 5th wheels. Our new Georgetown will be 3500# CCC.

I know we can travel with less, but we prefer to have the coach fit us, rather than us fit the coach. My point the post was that when you load your "C", perhaps any MH, increasing the load may mean you actually need to (surprise for me) decrease the front tire pressure. You don't know unless you weigh your unit loaded.
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Old 07-08-2016, 09:36 AM   #7
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We just got back from the beach where we were among a sea of 5vers at the park. Seems the 2300 is different not only in its small size but in the comparative (very large) ccc. We googled a few units around us a found a lot in the 2000-2700# range.
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Old 07-08-2016, 10:49 AM   #8
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The 2300 is (at least was) available in 2 chassis, a Chevy G4500 and a Ford E350, and not the Ford E450. Chevy chassis has a GVWR of 14,200 (ccc 4200) whereas the Ford E350 GVWR is 12,500 (ccc 2500). Having owned a prior 25' Jayco Escapade (now replaced by the Red Hawk line) I knew I wanted a Chevy chassis and we hunted several months before we found one. I highly recommend the Chevy G4500 chassis for units under 28' OAL. After that the 5000 # FAWR of the E450 outranks the 4600# FAWR in importance, not to mention at the longer lengths towing a vehicle becomes a norm and the E450 7500# tow capacity outclasses the Chevy 5000# capacity.
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