California gas prices

[DnJ]

Just wondered how many Californians have cancelled travel plans due to the high fuel prices. We had planned nine or ten day trip from Northern California to the Pomona area down 395, but called it off.

[Whisky]

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"supply and demand" my toosch

I've got a good friend who was in the oil and gas business before he (and I) retired - we sometimes make the mistake of getting into a conversation about o&g rip-offs, er, fluctuating prices

we've the good sense to end the "conversations" before either one of us gets irritated enough to put a dent in our get-togethers

(however, I think these wild fluctuations are total b.s.).....Bill

[B47]

Originally Posted by Whisky

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"supply and demand" my toosch

I've got a good friend who was in the oil and gas business before he (and I) retired - we sometimes make the mistake of getting into a conversation about o&g rip-offs, er, fluctuating prices

we've the good sense to end the "conversations" before either one of us gets irritated enough to put a dent in our get-togethers

(however, I think these wild fluctuations are total b.s.).....Bill

Since you are retired from the O&G business, I wonder if I can ask you a question. If you prefer not to answer I will understand.

My question is - why is Diesel so much more expersive than the other fuels you get from a barrel of oil?

When I was much younger, Diesel was so much cheaper than gasoline and that was one reason the big trucks used it instead of gas.

Isn't Diesel on the bottom of the "fuel chain" or to put it another way, isn't Diesel what is left over over from the barrel after all the other cuts are made?

Perhaps i put this in too simple terms, but I am amazed that Diesel now costs more than gasoline.

[fbconsults]

I just got back from Las Vegas, where I filled up at Costco for $3.59 a gallon. I put gas in my truck yesterday at the Costco in Victorville for $4.43 a gallon.

The EPA, which requires that CA burns "clean" gas in the summer (ending 10/31/2010), and could allow us to use "winter blend", which is in stock and good supply, is being "reviewed for early release" by those who hold our life in their hands.

I for one, am sick and tired of the California political scene and the way they regulate our lives. If I could afford it, I would probably move someplace else. Oh well, just venting......

Forrest

[Whisky]

Originally Posted by B47

..Since you are retired from the O&G business..

retired from the o&g business ? not me - my friend is the old o&g guy - US Army 9 years, Airline Pilot 31 more for me - this is why he and I sometimes make the mistake of talking energy prices..

but here's some reading for ya (let google be your friend) :

Why Is Diesel More Expensive Than Regular Gas? - Seeking Alpha

Why is Diesel Fuel More Expensive Than Gasoline?

Why is diesel fuel is more expensive than gas? | fyiDriving

probably more but my "clicking right index finger" is tired.....Bill

[Malco]

What are you guys in the States calling expensive for gasoline.I'm willing to bet it's nowhere near what I just paid here in Nova Scotia. It was 142.3 a liter.

[Crusader]

Water is next my friends.................you can't live without it !!!!

[B47]

Originally Posted by Whisky

retired from the o&g business ? not me - my friend is the old o&g guy - US Army 9 years, Airline Pilot 31 more for me - this is why he and I sometimes make the mistake of talking energy prices..

but here's some reading for ya (let google be your friend) :

Why Is Diesel More Expensive Than Regular Gas? - Seeking Alpha

Why is Diesel Fuel More Expensive Than Gasoline?

Why is diesel fuel is more expensive than gas? | fyiDriving

probably more but my "clicking right index finger" is tired.....Bill

Sorry for that slip up.It sounded to me like you and your friend were both retired from the O%G business.

Thanks for the reading material.

[Malco]

We have our own water well.As long as our Canadian government doesn't start taxing the usage of it,we'll be alright.

[B47]

Originally Posted by Whisky

retired from the o&g business ? not me - my friend is the old o&g guy - US Army 9 years, Airline Pilot 31 more for me - this is why he and I sometimes make the mistake of talking energy prices..

but here's some reading for ya (let google be your friend) :

Why Is Diesel More Expensive Than Regular Gas? - Seeking Alpha

Why is Diesel Fuel More Expensive Than Gasoline?

Why is diesel fuel is more expensive than gas? | fyiDriving

probably more but my "clicking right index finger" is tired.....Bill

So it's the supply and demand thing plus those darn Europeans that is behind the high cost of Diesel.

[Campster]

Originally Posted by fbconsults

I just got back from Las Vegas, where I filled up at Costco for $3.59 a gallon. I put gas in my truck yesterday at the Costco in Victorville for $4.43 a gallon.

The EPA, which requires that CA burns "clean" gas in the summer (ending 10/31/2010), and could allow us to use "winter blend", which is in stock and good supply, is being "reviewed for early release" by those who hold our life in their hands.

I for one, am sick and tired of the California political scene and the way they regulate our lives. If I could afford it, I would probably move someplace else. Oh well, just venting......

Forrest

We left there in 1991, the writing was on the wall! Moved to Idaho and never looked back. My only regret is not leaving sooner. That whole place is in a state of meltdown. Not quite sure what you mean by "if I could afford it"? That state is expensive to live in, you have to afford it to be able to live there. We left paid cash for a 62 acre farm and have no bills. We rent out the farm land and it pays for our property taxes and water with some extra for maintenance. I hate going back to visit family, can't wait to leave and get back home...

[showtime0022]

I got screwed!!!! Had this weekend all planned out. Couldnt change plans, cause of days off. Just spent 200 dollars off gas for tv and trailer for quads. Another 100 to get home.

[crasher]

I've joked with friends that I'd gladly pay $10/gallon if it meant that much of the traffic and lunatics would get off the road. But alas, it wouldn't work that way.

[wyo700]

I used to say it doesn't matter how much i am camping. But that may not be so true.

[greenliner]

Originally Posted by B47

So it's the supply and demand thing plus those darn Europeans that is behind the high cost of Diesel.

Hey, don't blame us - if you folks would give up the 'big is beautiful' thing, you too could have a Ford Focus with a diesel engine that gets another 20mpg than the ones built in Europe for the US market!!. More diesel vehicles here - more demand - and the price would come down
Seriously, why isn't diesel a more commonly used fuel?

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by greenliner

Hey, don't blame us - if you folks would give up the 'big is beautiful' thing, you too could have a Ford Focus with a diesel engine that gets another 20mpg than the ones built in Europe for the US market!!. More diesel vehicles here - more demand - and the price would come down
Seriously, why isn't diesel a more commonly used fuel?

Because they cost more, are sluggish, stink and are noisy?

[bakken]

Originally Posted by dunnnc

Because they cost more, are sluggish, stink and are noisy?

Obviously, you haven't driven a diesel lately.
The greatest benefit of the diesels has always been their massive amounts of torque. And with the turbo, they maintain their power even at altitude. I used to have a gas job, but in the mountains it would be an incredible struggle up the long pulls going over a pass. With the diesel, I just put it on cruise and keep right up with traffic. No more follwing the semis creeping up the hill!

Once the market here catches on to how good the clean diesels are, we will likely see more of them. Although, with gas engines like the Ford EcoBoost series, the diesels may have a tougher time. If Ford ever comes out with a 5-liter EcoBoost, even their own diesels may have competition. Maybe that is why they haven't done it!

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by bakken

Obviously, you haven't driven a diesel lately...

That's true, but I've listened to a bunch of them and smelled the exhaust. Saw a 2012 1t Chevy Duramax and was impressed with it with how quiet it was and the man said it pulled like a tractor. But, to me, the cost is prohibitive.

[bakken]

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Love to see more diesel engines offered across all vehicle spectrums.,.

Better MPG
Better Longivity
Better Torque/Performance

I see more old gassers smoking and smelling on the road than the diesels and I have the older diesel truck that's the same but use to the odors