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Old 04-02-2018, 03:51 PM   #1
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I pull a 14,000 lb Sierra Fiver with a 2013 Dodge 3500 Dually. I have encountered multiple issues with DEF causing fuel sensor problems. Twice this happened while traveling. The last event required replacement of the entire particulate unit requiring four days to repair. Thankfully each time I was close to a Dodge store and all the repairs were covered under my extended Ram Warranty. Would I be better off bailing out of this truck and diesel engines all together and going to a gas powered 3500? If so what model do you recommend?
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Old 04-02-2018, 03:56 PM   #2
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Sorry for your problems. DEF issues are few and far between, especially after the first year or two. Honestly there is nothing short of the V10 Ford capable of doing what your asking. Before I did that though I would be trading for a new diesel truck. Fuel economy pulling with a V10 would be around 5-6MPG vs 10-12 pulling with a new diesel.
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I think only you can answer that question. Opinions will run rampant but they are just that, opinions.
I tow with a gas 2500 and could never justify a diesel because I don't drive that much or tow that much. Most of camping is close to home. I could never make up the extra expense up front for the diesel.
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Old 04-02-2018, 04:27 PM   #4
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Another interesting tid-bit....

The gas truck is 5yr/60,000 warrantee

The Diesel is 5yr/100,000 miles

And...
Interesting...Exactly the same trucks at the dealer today. One Gas and the other Diesel. Only difference was the Diesel had 18" wheels and the Gasser had 17". Other wise just engine (and transmission, Diesel uses a different automatic transmission) difference

GAS = 3120 pound payload on door jam yellow sticker

Diesel = 2130 pound payload on door jam yellow sticker

Diesel has nearly 1000 pound payload deficit......*
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As said only you can make that decision and yes there are problems with the DEF but here again depends on your driving conditions. Later RJD
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I started off having problems with the def which was covered under my Silverado factory warranty. I had more problems with the def after the 100,000 mile warranty ran out in a place where I couldn’t find service, Alaska. The last problem was poor quality def fluid but it had been 2,500 miles since I put in def fluid in truck. I paid $1400 bucks to take off the emissions, truck runs like new. I have better oil pressure, the truck doesn’t get as hot plus I get a little better fuel mileage. If I was going to buy a new dually diesel I would leave the dealer and a shop would take off the emissions before I took truck home. I have 130,000 miles on truck and have never had a problem with the drivetrain, it’s always been DEF problems.
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I think only you can answer that question. Opinions will run rampant but they are just that, opinions.
I tow with a gas 2500 and could never justify a diesel because I don't drive that much or tow that much. Most of camping is close to home. I could never make up the extra expense up front for the diesel.
So true
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:28 PM   #8
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So true
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Another interesting tid-bit....

The gas truck is 5yr/60,000 warrantee

The Diesel is 5yr/100,000 miles

And...
Interesting...Exactly the same trucks at the dealer today. One Gas and the other Diesel. Only difference was the Diesel had 18" wheels and the Gasser had 17". Other wise just engine (and transmission, Diesel uses a different automatic transmission) difference

GAS = 3120 pound payload on door jam yellow sticker

Diesel = 2130 pound payload on door jam yellow sticker

Diesel has nearly 1000 pound payload deficit......*

And don't forget to add in that "small upcharge" for the diesel engine and transmission.
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I pull a 14,000 lb Sierra Fiver with a 2013 Dodge 3500 Dually. I have encountered multiple issues with DEF causing fuel sensor problems. Twice this happened while traveling. The last event required replacement of the entire particulate unit requiring four days to repair. Thankfully each time I was close to a Dodge store and all the repairs were covered under my extended Ram Warranty. Would I be better off bailing out of this truck and diesel engines all together and going to a gas powered 3500? If so what model do you recommend?
2013 was the first year of the SCR/DEF systems on the Ram pickups so it's not surprising to have some issues, however the systems and programming improve over the years so it's odd that you would still be having issues if all the parts and programming are current.

That said, I wouldn't write off diesels just because you've had some issues with your first-model-year SCR Ram. I felt similarly about the newer diesels when the DPFs were first used, then when they started using SCR, but that was years ago. The growing pains have largely been figured out. That's not to say issues aren't possible, but any vehicle can have a part fail or be built with a defective part.

Given the option of buying a gas or diesel truck for towing...I'm sticking with diesel. I've towed with gas enough to know I don't like it and will only tow with a diesel. The only exception to that would be if I were only towing locally or only towing a small trailer with a couple of toys on it, but as long a I'm towing a TT/HTT I'll be doing it with a diesel.

With the size of your 5er I don't think you'd be happy with anything but a diesel, instant regret on the first hill if you go with gas. If you're looking to replace the truck then I would replace it with a newer diesel, whether that's a Ram, GM, or Ford is up to you. I would go with the Ram or GM before Ford, but that's just my preference.

Good luck in whatever you decide!
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