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Old 06-26-2014, 09:50 AM   #11
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WolfWhistle, I am also trying to get a copy of the law, if it exists, but I do know that we have been told repeatedly that we HAVE to do all titles in Ohio. The customer is then able to take that title and switch to their home state. Also, there are 7 states that we are required to collect sales tax for on an RV. They are: Arizona, California, Florida, Massachusetts, Michigan and South Carolina. We cannot do a title for anyone with an address in one of those states without paying 6% tax that is forwarded to the customer's home state. I am trying very hard to get something that proves this for the both of us. It would save us a lot of time and money if we did not have to do all of these titles. I will post anything I can find as soon as we get it. Thanks again for your business- David
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:35 PM   #12
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David,
I have been on Ohio websites looking of the answer to the Ohio titling question and have seen those states you mentioned and how taxes are collected for them and all the others. What I saw conflicts with Title 5839.029 of the Ohio code... specifically (B),(1), (a) and (b). I paid the tax through you, paid no more tax than I should have and got credit for what I paid, so the tax isn't an issue. Like I mentioned and am probably beating figuratively to death... Title 4505 is the vehicle title code and I can find no place, nada, that addresses my situation. It strongly implies that it is talking about Ohio residents or vehicles that are owned by non-residents but will be used in Ohio. It is like when the law was written they didn't consider someone buy in Ohio but removing it and titling / registering it in another state. It is funny how much wording can be found about HOV or APV, or special vehicles as they relate to non-residents, BUT, non-commercial cars, trucks, and RVs are not mentioned. I do hold out hope that the registrar will answer me. Until then, if you hear something out, please let me know. Thanks for checking. I need to call you, as well.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:57 PM   #13
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WolfWhistle, I am also trying to get a copy of the law, if it exists, but I do know that we have been told repeatedly that we HAVE to do all titles in Ohio. The customer is then able to take that title and switch to their home state. Also, there are 7 states that we are required to collect sales tax for on an RV. They are: Arizona, California, Florida, Massachusetts, Michigan and South Carolina. We cannot do a title for anyone with an address in one of those states without paying 6% tax that is forwarded to the customer's home state. I am trying very hard to get something that proves this for the both of us. It would save us a lot of time and money if we did not have to do all of these titles. I will post anything I can find as soon as we get it. Thanks again for your business- David
Hi David,
I was recommended to you from someone that has sent numerous people there! I put the downpayment yesterday with Rose and hope to have a new Forester by the end of the month. I will be driving it to Arizona. I know you take the sales tax but will there be any more expense on my part either at closing or in AZ? I want to have everything ready. Does it come with a full tank?

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Old 07-03-2014, 03:42 AM   #14
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If you finance, you of course, have to prove this specific unit is insured and have your insurer show the lien holders name and address. They use Bank of the West. At first they couldn't find where our insurance agent had faxed it to them, but finally it appeared[/QUOTE]

When I bought fro RVW I was pre-approved with Bank of the West. Most of the time when you are pre-approved you can still get a lower interest rate. So I had them check, and Bank of America had a lower interest rate, and that is who we used to finance. And yes I did have them send the lower interest rate to me in writing.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:26 AM   #15
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West Cactus, thank you so much for your business! If you are flying in please look me up when you arrive, I would love to meet you and personally thank you for your business. If you ever need anything at all please don't hesitate to contact me. ddurnell@rvwholesalers.com thanks again- David Durnell
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:27 AM   #16
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doodler, thank you for your business and comments. It is always good to get everything in writing and we encourage our customers to always do so. After all we are all human and mistakes do happen. Thank you again and if you ever need anything please don't hesitate to contact me. David Durnell
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:48 PM   #17
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They (or we) are getting tax law and title law mixed up. The Ohio registrar (BMV) also doesn't get it, they sent me tax information (code 5839) when I told them specifically the tax isn't the issue. I was thinking maybe I wrote to them in Greek, but I checked and no it was English :-) There is a tax agreement between OH and several states. Although the tax law (5839 of the code) seems to conflict with the agreement, the point is moot. We pay the same tax. RVW collects the tax, and when you go to get your tags in FL, you get credit for what they collected... end of story. HOWEVER, no one can show me a law on the books that says it has to be titled in OH... to an OUT OF STATE buyer who does not intend to use in OH and is going to title it in his or her own state. We are not different countries in Europe, for example, this is the UNITED States of America, last time I checked. 4505 of the code deals with titling and I have read it and can't find any reference to the dealer providing a title to an out of state buyer... only for snowmobiles and HOV is it clearly addressed that the buyer takes the vehicle out of the state without getting an OH title. Why would privately used vehicles be different? It should be the same for vehicles of which a travel trailer is considered the same. I am 99% sure this practice is wrong, but what can we do. If I was doing it over again, I would tell RVW to show me the law or I would take my business elsewhere. If the law says it gets an OH title, so be it. That might change things and probably would... rather quickly. It is only about $90 to pay for the title transfer, but it also causes delay. You can not title in in FL until you get the OH title in the mail and that is also wrong. So, if you buy from RVW expect to get a useless OH title and have to wait for it... and waste money needlessly changing it to a FL title. The more I think about it the less sense it makes.
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I work at a ford dealership here in ohio and all vehicles in this state must be titled when sold even if owner is out of state. The bmv has nothing to do with titles in this state you would need to contact the clerk of courts for the county that you are dealing in witch I believe is Logan county in lakeview. Our bmv only does registrations title offices are at the county government buildings. On a related note this makes attractive to buyers in other states because they just need to transfer title not get thus avoiding paying sales tax in some states nj being one.


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ohio xlite, thanks for the useful information. When you say, BMV has nothing to do with it... I suppose you mean, a dealer doesn't contact BMV directly. But, they have everything to do with it... administratively... from Ohio Law - 4505.02: "The registrar of motor vehicles shall issue rules as the registrar determines necessary to ensure uniform and orderly operation of this chapter and to ensure that the identification of each applicant for a certificate of title is reasonably accurate. The clerks of the courts of common pleas shall conform thereto." So, although the county clerks perform all that is necessary to apply for title, the Registrar, as supported by state law, has authority to allow or disallow titling. The law is the 'source document' and it seems to me and in my case, nothing in the law exempts the titling to an out-of-state buyer, thus by default, titles are applied for and issued. However, the Registrar failed to answer my question, rather explained how taxes are to be collected, which I already knew, and had pointed out to them that I knew. The county Clerk of Courts for Lakeview didn't know why they issued me an Ohio title and could not refer to the law that governs them. IMO, it is like the framers of the law didn't consider an out-of-state buyer taking the vehicle out of Ohio to be titled - this may be the case. I still say, it is ridiculous to have to title a vehicle in a state that it will not be used in, and that it is immediately removed from; to only be retitled in another state in which the owner is resident of. As screwed up as Florida government is, someone there considered this possibility and Florida law doesn't require that a Florida title be issued. I'll get off my soapbox now. Ya'll have a nice day.
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Thank you for your diligence however it appears we're at the mercy of bureaucrats. We will be going through the same process in a couple of weeks. Common sense doesn't seem to matter.


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