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Old 03-13-2019, 10:49 AM   #1
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For the past 5 years, I have been a staunch supporter of Forest River, especially the Shasta Phoenix. Little things and major were always taken care of. Recently my son purchased a KZ sportsman, so we had 6 less people in our 5er. When we arrived home fro a 2week trip to Colorado, we found we had mice. We had previously sealed all the holes we could find, not realizing that the entire space under the floor was open. Now my wife, in her full OCD mode when it come to mice, will not step into it. I went to trade it in for a considerably smaller Sportsman only to find out our $54,000 33CK, is only worth $13-18K. This was supported by NADA as the low end, but selling this 5er would be hard. Iím so mad right now, I have a useless 5er stuck on a consignment lot with no hope of selling. Iím just venting here. Iíve had to put so much time and money into this 5er with no hope of even breaking even. Ever. I just donít ser me ever buying anything Forest River again.
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:14 AM   #2
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This isn't a Forest River (FR) issue at all. In fact, it's kind of a personal issue.

This is supply and demand that is not in your favor.

Over the last 5 or so years, the US economy has been stellar and consumers have purchased new RV's at record rates. In doing so, everyone and their neighbor has an RV that, according to them, is VERY high value because they paid $XX,XXX for it new. It's not worth that though. Your trailer, like everyone else's, is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If the used market isn't dictating a high resale value, can you honestly blame FR or a dealer for not giving you a trade value that YOU think is fair?

As a reminder, that dealer, is in business to make money for profit....not to break even. They gave you a low trade in value because, as you stated:

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... we found we had mice. We had previously sealed all the holes we could find, not realizing that the entire space under the floor was open. Now my wife, in her full OCD mode when it come to mice, will not step into it. I went to trade it in for a considerably smaller Sportsman only to find out our $54,000 33CK, is only worth $13-18K. This was supported by NADA as the low end, but selling this 5er would be hard....
So, in your own words, the 5er has a mice problem that someone (dealer?) needs to deal with, you wanted to trade it in when trade in values are notoriously low compared to private sales, and the NADA backs up the value that the dealer gave you.

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...I just don’t ser me ever buying anything Forest River again.
Yep, sounds like Forest River's problem to me. I'm sure this wouldn't happen with a Thor Industries product....
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For the past 5 years, I have been a staunch supporter of Forest River, especially the Shasta Phoenix. Little things and major were always taken care of. Recently my son purchased a KZ sportsman, so we had 6 less people in our 5er. When we arrived home fro a 2week trip to Colorado, we found we had mice. We had previously sealed all the holes we could find, not realizing that the entire space under the floor was open. Now my wife, in her full OCD mode when it come to mice, will not step into it. I went to trade it in for a considerably smaller Sportsman only to find out our $54,000 33CK, is only worth $13-18K. This was supported by NADA as the low end, but selling this 5er would be hard. I’m so mad right now, I have a useless 5er stuck on a consignment lot with no hope of selling. I’m just venting here. I’ve had to put so much time and money into this 5er with no hope of even breaking even. Ever. I just don’t ser me ever buying anything Forest River again.

I understand you are just venting here, but not sure it is what you are really venting about. I really don't understand why it's useless and/or you have no hope of selling? Is it because of the mice that it can never be used or sold? If they have done that much damage, would insurance be applicable and maybe write it off.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:01 PM   #5
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NADA is for dealers to low ball you . it's a fix from autos to boats to rv's for dealer by dealer and favors dealers . you should try and sale yourself . if you trade it in then you have to expect that loss . if they give you 18,000 you know they will list it for 33,000 . that's how it works . if the mice did not do any damage then get them out seal it up and tell your wife to get over it . well maybe not like that but you know what i mean . tell her it's been mouse proofed and sanitized and all good to go
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NADA is a guide and that's it. Sometimes it's close and sometimes it isn't.

Welcome to the world of depreciating assets. Not surprised it has dropped that much value at all.
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I found a camper that I really liked, DW wanted to keep what we had. The salesman wanted my camper plus $20,000 before he would sell me his camper, I would then have pay a down payment on his camper. Iím a little slow and it took me a little while to figure that out, needless to say we kept the camper we have. Glad I did really
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not realizing that the entire space under the floor was open.
I'm not sure I understand this.

Are you saying your trailer doesn't have the chloroplast covering underneath it? Because I'm pretty sure you can add it yourself.
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I'm not sure I understand this.

Are you saying your trailer doesn't have the chloroplast covering underneath it? Because I'm pretty sure you can add it yourself.
My question is during the 5 yrs of ownership OP did not inspect anything under the trailer and know whether it had an enclosed underbelly or not? Mice will get into an enclosed underbelly if you only patched openings from the inside.
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If the mice are truly from Colorado your 5er might even be worth more!
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