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Old 05-20-2015, 08:54 PM   #11
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Which basically tells you what items run directly to the battery.
Slide out.
Awning.
Generator.

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Old 05-20-2015, 09:29 PM   #12
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I'm really glad you said something about the batteries. I thought maintenance free batteries didn't need water but mine were low, especially since I installed a 200w solar system for dry camping.


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Old 05-20-2015, 09:45 PM   #13
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Thanks to all for taking the time to offer help. I don't know what I would do without you guys. What finally fixed the problem is inside the Battery Control Center box in the stairwell there is a converter relay with a reset button the side and it was tripped. So after three days of tracing wires looking for fuses I finally looked at the diagram on the inside of the box cover and I was able to find it. It is very well hidden behind other connectors but it is there. Very small black reset button that you can not see, but if you feel for it you will find it. Thanks again.
Any chance posting a picture with a pointer. Just for the future reference of all.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:02 PM   #14
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Interesting. I don't think I would much care for that type of setup. Having to physically disconnect your batteries in order to power down seems to kind of defeat the purpose of having a disconnect switch in the first place. Flipping the main breaker would be about the same difference... you'll still have hot lines here and there.

At any rate... the OP could find if that's the case by metering the main 12v input at the panel. Could very be a bad disconnect then.
Yes but the items that are still powered when the battery disconnect switch is set to disconnect the battery are items that are powered through switches. In other words "open circuits" unless you use the switch for that item. I have several items fused directly off the battery (steps, awning, etc.) and therefore are not disconnected by the battery disconnect switch but which are not draws on the battery unless a switch is actuated.
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:43 PM   #15
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and therefore are not disconnected by the battery disconnect switch but which are not draws on the battery unless a switch is actuated.
In part.. they don't draw 'MUCH'. Simply continuously energizing those lines, resistance in connections, line loss in itself and resistance in fusing (heat) hour upon hour... you're still slowly chipping away with an increased parasitic draw even when in disconnect.

I know it's "kosher" to, in general, quote "typical" parasitics in the 1-2 amp range... but I HAVE seen much higher and noticed a few folks taking it for granted without doing a real world audit.

Getting to the heart of phantom draws is quite difficult. Just my own experience.. in complete and utter shut down I still can't seem to break under .2. THAT took some serious tweaking and, more than naught, was redoing clamps and shrink wraps from professional shops just to eek out almost worthless percentages.

Granted.. some of that is coming off normal offgassing. But with my AGM's averaging around 1.78% every 37 days in 'nominal' temperatures I would hazard to guess that most folks with quality wet cells still can't begin to touch that.

If I had "standby" connection in my lines, that number would at least quadruple I would think. And that's, "disconnected".

I'm not trying to bash anyone.. it's just the nature of the beast and not very practical to look through rose colored glasses and assume even a 1 amp parasitic draw is realistic.

It's nice to play with though.
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In part.. they don't draw 'MUCH'. Simply continuously energizing those lines, resistance in connections, line loss in itself and resistance in fusing (heat) hour upon hour... you're still slowly chipping away with an increased parasitic draw even when in disconnect.
So are you saying that there is energy loss even in an open circuit?
I'm curious about this as I have never heard of that occurring unless a component was leaking power to ground or otherwise compromising the open circuit. I've also never considered a circuit energized unless the circuit was complete.

If true, what are the causes and conditions for this to occur? It seems like only a cutoff switch at the battery terminals could prevent this type of leakage.

If you could point me to any information about this I'd appreciate it.
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:03 AM   #17
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Electric devices on a switch that opens the circuit when not activated draw no (zero) current when not activated. The awning, step, and slide out on our Solera "S" are this type of circuit - when not activated by their switch, these circuits draw zero current.
The issue occurs with electronic devices which do not have a circuit breaking switch, but an on/off switch which sends an "activate" signal to a powered circuit. Such devices draw a small amount of "parasitic" current even turned off or not in use. Smart devices that maintain memory of their status are often this type. TV sets, computers, radios that maintain stations and time settings, refrigerator controllers, wall "warts" for cell phone or similar chargers (even when the phone is not connected), etc. I believe some of the more sophisticated slide out mechanisms may have controllers that "remember" settings and require some electricity while off.
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Old 05-21-2015, 07:38 AM   #18
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I also believe Yarome "misspoke" regards current flow with an open circuit; trust me it happens with the best of intentions. For current to flow, a path to ground (battery negative) is required.

As to what I think is going on, I think the propane leak detector is still powered even with the disconnect "on." It may be a RIVA motorhome safety requirement; I don't know.
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On our 2012 Solera "S", the propane/CO detector is turned off by the battery disconnect.
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