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Old 09-05-2012, 02:56 PM   #11
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That is correct.
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:17 PM   #12
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That is correct.
then you should at least asterisk this in the info.

manhy consumers including myself thought this was the 9.8 gallon tank that is purchasable replacement
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:37 PM   #13
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We prefer to keep things simple...
We say "capacity" not "tank size". I'd be more concerned if we "over promised" (12.2 gallon LP with asterisk that someone doesn't read) and then we under delivered (9.8 actual capacity)

The same thing happens with hitch and water. We say 44 gallons of fresh water. That is the simple capacity, we do not include the water heater as many mfg's do.

Also, we show a 3500lbs hitch on our Solera brochure, even though it is a 5000lbs hitch. Other mfg's say "5000lbs hitch*" Then asterisk the fact that you need to really figure out what you can tow on your own. You really only have about 4200lbs of capacity. Plus, that gives us fewer footnotes to worry about.

Plus...since the new regulations require
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:44 AM   #14
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BCLemons -- This was very useful information for me. I'm planning to purchase in the next week, and would love some clarification.

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We prefer to keep things simple...
We say "capacity" not "tank size". I'd be more concerned if we "over promised" (12.2 gallon LP with asterisk that someone doesn't read) and then we under delivered (9.8 actual capacity)

The same thing happens with hitch and water. We say 44 gallons of fresh water. That is the simple capacity, we do not include the water heater as many mfg's do.

Also, we show a 3500lbs hitch on our Solera brochure, even though it is a 5000lbs hitch. Other mfg's say "5000lbs hitch*" Then asterisk the fact that you need to really figure out what you can tow on your own. You really only have about 4200lbs of capacity. Plus, that gives us fewer footnotes to worry about.

Plus...since the new regulations require
It seems like your response was truncated mid sentence. Something about "since the new regulations require"?



The Winnebago View 24J, one of your primary competitors, claims the following:
LP - 13 gal.
Hitch -- 5000 lbs
Tongue weight -- 500 lbs

Are you saying that the Solera has the same capacities, but just quotes the specifications more conservatively? If so, that would eliminate what I perceived to be some of the major differences.

Also, you mention "44 gallons of fresh water". Are you referring to the Solara, because the published information I could find says only 35 gallons. If 35 is right for the Solara, is that with or without the contents of the hot water heater?

Thanks from a potential Solera owner.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:50 AM   #15
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Not sure what I was about to write there...slept since then.

As for Capacities: Winnebago has no less than (7) foot notes.

Hitch: absolutely. We offer the same exact chassis. They just choose to list the 5000 lbs hitch even though there is only 4200 of towing capacity (unless you don't run the GVWR all the way up, whole other topic) (footnote #5 for them)

LP: Winnebago list their capacities with ASTERICK #4. from their website "Capacities shown are tank manufacturer's listed water capacity (W.C.). Actual filled LP capacity is 80% of listing due to overfilling prevention device on tank." There is a perfect example...who reads the astericks? Its misleading in my mind. So their ACTUAL capacity is 10.4, ours is 9.8...negligible difference for a not so negligible price difference.

Water I was referring to Sunseeker, since that's the one I cover most often. Notice the Winnie site says "Fresh water w/ heater". Ours are tank sizes which is 35 gallons for each floor plan. So you're looking at 41 gallons w/ heater.

I wonder if those manufacturers that use the Girard tankless water heaters remember to take off the extra 6 gallons in their specs.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:54 PM   #16
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Thanks so much BCLemens for the quick response. I really appreciate a vendor rep making this forum a priority. I was pleasantly suprised to learn that what I thought were material differences really aren't.

Just to clarify, when you say:
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Hitch: absolutely. We offer the same exact chassis. They just choose to list the 5000 lbs hitch even though there is only 4200 of towing capacity (unless you don't run the GVWR all the way up, whole other topic) (footnote #5 for them)
Does this mean that the Solera and View not only have the same chassis capcity, but also have the same same rating of hitch? Or is it that the View has a stronger hitch than the Solera (5000 vs. 3500 lbs), but doesn't have the chassis capacity to utilize it?

Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:15 PM   #17
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We only buy one type of Hitch. Class III. Rated at 5,000 lbs. We don't even bother buying them two different stickers.

Below is the sticker on ALL of our hitches. Then we get white 3500 lbs stickers and place them over the silver 5000 lbs sticker on Solera since the Solera in theory is only rated at 4200 lbs.
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Thank-you very much BCLemens. Another speedy reply, with photographic evidence to boot!

Since you've provided these clarifications, I've been thinking about how others might be confused by the exaggerted claims of your competitors. I applaud Forest River's truth in advertising and wouldn't want you to change this. On the other hand, it may put you at an unfair disadvantage with shoppers that focus on the technical details (like me) and don't catch the subterfuge. Other than putting footnotes (something we agree that most people don't read or understand) on your own specifications to clarify how they stack up against your competitors, I'm not sure how to address this. I can say that Forest River's more realistic specifications and your timely assistance on this forum have had a positive impact on my impression of Forest River. Thanks.
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So, a Solera can pull a Smart car 4 wheels down without a problem?
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So, a Solera can pull a Smart car 4 wheels down without a problem?
It can pul anything 4 wheels down that is not over 4200 lbs. Beyond that you have to determine if the car can be towed 4 down. Some can't.
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