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03-30-2012, 05:37 PM
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I pull with a 2005 F-150, 5.4 with--------
I pull a Rockwood Signature Ultralite 8285WS with a 2005, F-150, Supercrew, 5'6" box, with a Pulrite #3100 slide hitch with no problem. My F-150 came from the factory with the "TOW PACKAGE". I also added Firestone Air Springs that I run with 55# of air. I can't win any races in the mountains but the picture was made in Nova Scotia and I live in florida. Does that answer your question. Not bucking any head wind I get 10MPG.
Now, here comes the weight POLICE!
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03-30-2012, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DAISY BOYKIN
Now, here comes the weight POLICE!
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Sid,
Pull what you like; where you like. I have to say I am amazed at what pulls into the campgrounds. 15,000 pound Montana campers pulled by 2500 gassers. Maybe 5-10 at every campground.
When I ask what the pin weight is or the truck weight I get the "Reservist Salute" (a shrug for the uninitiated) from every one of them.
"Never been on a scale!," they say with pride.
"Pulls GREAT!"
"Get almost 15 MPG." <gag>
What EVER...
Oh, one more thing. Love your camper. Looks like mine...
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03-30-2012, 06:29 PM
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For several years I pulled a 29' Cardinal Fifth Wheel behind a 1997 F150. Never had a problem and went on lots of long trips and through the Rockies. In relatively flat areas it was never a problem to tow 70-75mph. during this same time period I had a number of friends that towed similar campers behind Chevy and GM 1/2 tons. All of us were towing fifth wheels with super slides. Since then some have dropped out some have upsized trailer and truck and I have switched to motor home and now to toyhauler. All trucks had tow packages.
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03-30-2012, 06:46 PM
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So,
A guy is blowing down the highway and a cop pulls him over.
Cop says to the guy, "Sir, You know how fast you were going?"
Guys says, "No I don't officer. "My speedometer is broken; but I never use it anyway."
Cop goes, "Uh Huh, Well do you know what the speed limit on the highway is?"
Guy says, "Why no, what does it matter anyway; I don't have a speedometer."
Cop says, "You got a point there."
Where was I going with this? ....
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03-30-2012, 07:18 PM
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Towing is not only about moving weight.
A few more thoughts, if you don't mind considering them...
The wind resistance of a taller profile unit
Towing into headwinds
Swirling winds in a canyon
Higher center of gravity
Amount of leverage applied through the pin to the crossmembers, frame, springs, axle housing and the axles themselves. We don't have full floating axles so there is a tremendous amount of force on the axles themselves
The numbers that Ford gives for these trucks does not sit well with me.
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03-30-2012, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dretired
Look at the 2012 Ford F150 towing capacity guide... on -line... look at the top of the page and see ...with the right wheel base ...engine, rear end ...and MAX PKGS available...you can have 11,300lbs of towing capability ..AND 2,650 lbs of payload... 7 lug steel wheels ..
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Dretired, OP didn't ask if an F150 would pull a 5th, He asked if his F150 would pull a fifth and listed HIS payload as 1900Lbs. I was just pointing one of a number of variables that he had to consider based on the responses prior. to determine if the F150 in question could pull a "to be selected" 5th.
I realize you can order a TV based on the capacity you need, but that was not what was asked Cheers
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03-30-2012, 07:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisty
Towing is not only about moving weight.
A few more thoughts, if you don't mind considering them...
The wind resistance of a taller profile unit
Towing into headwinds
Swirling winds in a canyon
Higher center of gravity
Amount of leverage applied through the pin to the crossmembers, frame, springs, axle housing and the axles themselves. We don't have full floating axles so there is a tremendous amount of force on the axles themselves
The numbers that Ford gives for these trucks does not sit well with me.
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I've towed both a TT and a 5th wheel with the same truck...the 5th wheel is way more aerodynamic and stable than a TT. I got virtually the same gas mileage towing the 5th wheel in spite of it being 2500 lbs heavier than the TT.
I don't understand your comment regarding Ford's towing #'s for these trucks. You think Ford is making these up?
Dave
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03-30-2012, 07:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Monica
I don't understand your comment regarding Ford's towing #'s for these trucks. You think Ford is making these up?
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Nope! but, I think they are "cooking the books" in the "truck Wars."
They also say we have 1 percent inflation. Anyone who buys the groceries or fills the truck knows what "cooked books" look like.
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03-30-2012, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by herk7769
Nope! but, I think they are "cooking the books" in the "truck Wars."
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Why would their F150 ratings be any more optimistic than their ratings for F250/350?
I think this interpertation is more to do with someone's bias. It's not easy to accept that Ford's HD half ton has as much payload as our 3/4 ton trucks...gas or diesel.
Dave
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03-30-2012, 08:34 PM
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I think a lot of folks just like to justify buying the bigger trucks and don't want to believe a 1/2 T will do what they do regardless of whether it is a Chevy, Ford, Dodge or whatever brand.
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03-30-2012, 08:37 PM
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I have a 2010 150 FX4 5L 3.73 7200 gvrw with tow cap.9400 lbs Totalweight 15000lbs Was thinking of getting a 5er when I asked the salesmen to be honest if a 1/2 ton could really tow a 5er he looked at me and said no.And that's what I thought. Being as conserative as i am I opted for TT with a base wt of 5889lbs,gvwr of 7683 lbs,hitch wt of 683 lbs and cargo cap of 1756 lbs and a length of33.5 ' I think I stayed with in a safe range ?????
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03-30-2012, 10:02 PM
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"I got virtually the same gas mileage towing the 5th wheel in spite of it being 2500 lbs heavier than the TT."
Apparently you are exempt from the laws of physics.
"I don't understand your comment regarding Ford's towing #'s for these trucks. You think Ford is making these up?"
I wouldn't say that they are making them up...
I will say that I can smell what they are cooking...
and that is sales I smell.
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03-30-2012, 10:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Monica
Why would their F150 ratings be any more optimistic than their ratings for F250/350?
I think this interpretation is more to do with some one's bias. It's not easy to accept that Ford's HD half ton has as much payload as our 3/4 ton trucks...gas or diesel.
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Dave, I am not sure you got my drift. Yes I drive a Chevy, but my neighbor has a new F-250 diesel that is awesome.
I think the manufacturers are changing the way they measure things in order to "one up" each other. Was a "general" statement of the industry without prejudice toward Fords specifically.
And yes, I have a bias against the crap going on in the marketing departments of the Big 3.
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03-30-2012, 11:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisty
"I got virtually the same gas mileage towing the 5th wheel in spite of it being 2500 lbs heavier than the TT."
Apparently you are exempt from the laws of physics.
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The TT was just under 5800 lbs, hand calculated mileage was 9.5 mpg. The 5th wheel is 8400 lbs, hand calculated mileage was 9.0 mpg. The TV was a 2005 Ram 1500 5.7 QC RWD. Our current TV is closer to 8.5 mpg.
All I'm saying is the improvement in aerodynamic drag, almost fully offsets the increase in weight. If I was towing in the mountains, the increased weight would be a bigger factor.
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03-31-2012, 06:52 AM
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I am not going to try to sway you one way or the other, just give you my personal experience. I pulled a 7,800# dry, probably 9,500# loaded 5er with a 1/2 ton GMC for two years. The engine and transmission had plenty of ability to move the rig down the road. We could cruise on the Interstate at 70 plus with no issues and got about 10 MPG.
The problem I had was stopping! Even with the trailer brakes cranked up, I was never comfortable with our stopping performance. The brake system on the truck was simply not large enough for the extra weight. I have done it, would do it again in an "emergency" to get home if something happens to the diesel, but would never again do it as my main means of transporting the camper. It is all about the stopping!
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04-01-2012, 09:59 PM
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Boy it sure seems like a trip to the scales would answer alot of questions. Then some of the guesswork would be taken out.
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04-02-2012, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DAISY BOYKIN
I pull a Rockwood Signature Ultralite 8285WS with a 2005, F-150, Supercrew, 5'6" box, with a Pulrite #3100 slide hitch with no problem. My F-150 came from the factory with the "TOW PACKAGE". I also added Firestone Air Springs that I run with 55# of air. I can't win any races in the mountains but the picture was made in Nova Scotia and I live in florida. Does that answer your question. Not bucking any head wind I get 10MPG.
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Thanks Daisy, That is what I was looking for.
I understand that I need to make sure the weights are under. I was just wondering about what equipment was needed for a 5' 6" bed and if anyone had any light 5er recommendation.
This thread kinda got on a tangent there, but thanks everyone for your input.
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04-02-2012, 07:06 AM
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Bean,
Check this out. My love for Pullrite hitches is well known.
Removable sliding 5th wheel hitch for 2010 Toyota Tundra
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04-02-2012, 11:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bean
I understand that I need to make sure the weights are under. I was just wondering about what equipment was needed for a 5' 6" bed and if anyone had any light 5er recommendation.
This thread kinda got on a tangent there, but thanks everyone for your input.
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If you're still looking a Rockwood/Flagstaff, the floorplan we have, 8280WS is still the lowest pin weight of those models. Our pin weight empty was 1100 lb, 1240 lb loaded and towed great even though the pin was only 16% of the total weight.
I believe that these campers come with the Reese Sidewinder pinbox allowing 90 degree turns even with a 5.5' box. The added advantage is that you could use a standard, non sliding hitch reducing the weight of the hitch alone by as much as 150 lbs over a Pullrite. If you're pulling with a half ton, you'll need payload capacity wherever you can find it.
Dave
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04-02-2012, 11:46 AM
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Our 12 Flagstaff 8528RKWS has a pin wt of 1076# and we use a stationary hitch with the Sidewinder and have no problems whatsoever. Tow with a 05 Silverado 1500 Ext Cab & 6.5' bed, 5.3L. Have plenty of stopping power as well as towing power. Have crossed the Smoky Mtns numerous times with the old 08 Flagstaff 831RLSS and had no problems with it.
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