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Old 03-22-2015, 09:19 PM   #11
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That is not quite the truth! They have changed the export and import laws as of May 11/2014 Everybody who wants to trade in or buy in USA need a commercial broker now. Those of you want to trade their TT or motor home in USA need to have HS7 form before you attempt to cross the border. Only Commercial agent can import your TT into the US. Same as when you coming back with new one. Lots of paperwork. Free trade is ended as private owners use to deal with this issue. If you trade in your unit in US also you will not get back your GST difference. Think twice before you go for it.
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The OP never mentioned trading in a TT in the US.. They simply said to go down, buy one and bring it back was hastlefree..
Transposrt Canada, RIV or the CBSA don't list anything about having to only be a broker to import into Canada.. Do import into the US, I cannot comment on, as I am a resident of north of the 49th and think it would be alot easier for me to sell my TT here than to take it south..

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Q.. My trailer did not need to be registered in the U.S., why does it have to be inspected in Canada?
A.. Trailers are a prescribed class of vehicle under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act and require an RIV Inspection.
Registration requirements in the U.S. are not equivalent to registration requirements in each individual Canadian province or territory. All trailers less than fifteen years old, including: utility trailers, enclosed cargo trailers, low-chassis trailers, air braked trailers, travel trailers, fifth wheel trailers, horse/stock trailers, boat trailers, car dollies, portable air compressors, log splitters, wood chippers etc. are regulated by the RIV program.

Q.. Are trailers required to enter the RIV program?
A.. Trailers are a prescribed class of vehicle under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act and require an RIV Inspection.
All trailers less than fifteen years old, including: utility trailers, enclosed cargo trailers, low-chassis trailers, air braked trailers, travel trailers, fifth wheel trailers, horse/stock trailers, boat trailers, car dollies, portable air compressors, log splitters, wood chippers etc. are regulated by the RIV program, require an RIV inspection and are subject to the RIV import fee of $195 + tax.

Q.. What do I need to do before attempting to permanently import my trailer into Canada?
A.. Prior to purchasing and permanently importing your trailer into Canada, we strongly recommend the potential importer to contact our office in order to ensure the validity of the vehicle identification number (VIN). For any trailer to be compatible for import into Canada, it must first meet four basic requirements:
It must bear a legible, valid, 17-digit VIN that has been issued by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM).
It must bear a legible U.S. Statement of Compliance (SOC) label, issued by the OEM.
It must bear a label, legibly indicating the vehicle's weight ratings (both GVWR and GAWR).
It must bear a label, legibly indicating the recommended tire pressures (PSI).
Note: Trailers with a GVWR of 4536kg or more, manufactured after September 1, 2007, must be listed as admissible under Section 11 of the Vehicle Import Compatibility List.
If any of these 4 basic requirements cannot be met, i.e., something is missing or illegible, the trailer will be considered incompatible with Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) and therefore inadmissible for import into Canada.
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Old 03-22-2015, 09:53 PM   #12
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The OP never mentioned trading in a TT in the US.. They simply said to go down, buy one and bring it back was hastlefree..
Transposrt Canada, RIV or the CBSA don't list anything about having to only be a broker to import into Canada.. Do import into the US, I cannot comment on, as I am a resident of north of the 49th and think it would be alot easier for me to sell my TT here than to take it south..

From the Registrar of Imported Vehicles

Q.. My trailer did not need to be registered in the U.S., why does it have to be inspected in Canada?
A.. Trailers are a prescribed class of vehicle under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act and require an RIV Inspection.
Registration requirements in the U.S. are not equivalent to registration requirements in each individual Canadian province or territory. All trailers less than fifteen years old, including: utility trailers, enclosed cargo trailers, low-chassis trailers, air braked trailers, travel trailers, fifth wheel trailers, horse/stock trailers, boat trailers, car dollies, portable air compressors, log splitters, wood chippers etc. are regulated by the RIV program.

Q.. Are trailers required to enter the RIV program?
A.. Trailers are a prescribed class of vehicle under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act and require an RIV Inspection.
All trailers less than fifteen years old, including: utility trailers, enclosed cargo trailers, low-chassis trailers, air braked trailers, travel trailers, fifth wheel trailers, horse/stock trailers, boat trailers, car dollies, portable air compressors, log splitters, wood chippers etc. are regulated by the RIV program, require an RIV inspection and are subject to the RIV import fee of $195 + tax.

Q.. What do I need to do before attempting to permanently import my trailer into Canada?
A.. Prior to purchasing and permanently importing your trailer into Canada, we strongly recommend the potential importer to contact our office in order to ensure the validity of the vehicle identification number (VIN). For any trailer to be compatible for import into Canada, it must first meet four basic requirements:
It must bear a legible, valid, 17-digit VIN that has been issued by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM).
It must bear a legible U.S. Statement of Compliance (SOC) label, issued by the OEM.
It must bear a label, legibly indicating the vehicle's weight ratings (both GVWR and GAWR).
It must bear a label, legibly indicating the recommended tire pressures (PSI).
Note: Trailers with a GVWR of 4536kg or more, manufactured after September 1, 2007, must be listed as admissible under Section 11 of the Vehicle Import Compatibility List.
If any of these 4 basic requirements cannot be met, i.e., something is missing or illegible, the trailer will be considered incompatible with Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) and therefore inadmissible for import into Canada.
You still need a commercial bonded broker to bring it back to Canada!!!! Period !!!!! Before you come through the border you need to have a stamp from the US customs, They will not accept anything from private individuals anymore. It use to be very easy fax in all the papers 72 hours before you come through the border then pickup your papers from the US side and custom clear it in Canada, rules changed. Please do not argue with me I just went through hell and some, if you do not want to take my advice it's fine. Don't ! You will find out the hard way. Do not try to deceive others if you do not know the process. This not Including TT only motor homes or self propelled motor vehicles . Trading in your TT will also require a commercial broker if you trade it in the US. RIV will not tell you all this that was my problem. I have attached the new rules.
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Old 03-22-2015, 10:27 PM   #13
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You still need a commercial bonded broker to bring it back to Canada!!!! Period !!!!! Before you come through the border you need to have a stamp from the US customs, They will not accept anything from private individuals anymore. It use to be very easy fax in all the papers 72 hours before you come through the border then pickup your papers from the US side and custom clear it in Canada, rules changed. Please do not argue with me I just went through hell and some, if you do not want to take my advice it's fine. Don't ! You will find out the hard way. Do not try to deceive others if you do not know the process. This not Including TT only motor homes or self propelled motor vehicles . Trading in your TT will also require a commercial broker if you trade it in the US. RIV will not tell you all this that was my problem. I have attached the new rules.
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Ahh now I know what you are on about, you are referring to a motor home, the OP was talking about a trailer or fifth wheel and they are different, you needed the broker because yours has an engine period.
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No broker for Trailers, they are exempt. see RIV exemption below for trailers imported into Canada
Note: The following types of trailer are exempt and are not required to be on this list:
(a) a pole trailer, a pulpwood trailer, a wheels back trailer or a trailer designed to be used as temporary living quarters (i.e. travel / RV trailer);
(b) a low-chassis trailer (i.e. horse / stock trailer, boat trailer); and
(c) a trailer designed to interact with, or having, work-performing equipment located in or moving through the area that would be occupied by a horizontal member that meets the configuration requirements specified in the standard.

Motorized vehicles follow the broker protocol. I brought back my Columbus on the 15th of March 2015.

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Old 03-22-2015, 10:40 PM   #15
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No broker is required for travel trailers or 5th wheel trailers, they are exempt. On the 15th of March, I crossed at Coutts. Did not have to export the trailer at US customs, went straight to Canadian border. Paid only the GST on the unit. Arrived in Calgary, went on line and registered for the RIV trailer inspection ($195.00) then went to local Canadian Tire presented the form, they inspected the 5th wheel and charged me an addtional $4.00 per tire including spare, 5 wheels, $21.00, left 10 minutes later.
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No broker for Trailers, they are exempt. see RIV exemption below for trailers imported into Canada
Note: The following types of trailer are exempt and are not required to be on this list:
(a) a pole trailer, a pulpwood trailer, a wheels back trailer or a trailer designed to be used as temporary living quarters (i.e. travel / RV trailer);
(b) a low-chassis trailer (i.e. horse / stock trailer, boat trailer); and
(c) a trailer designed to interact with, or having, work-performing equipment located in or moving through the area that would be occupied by a horizontal member that meets the configuration requirements specified in the standard.

Motorized vehicles follow the broker protocol. I brought back my Columbus on the 15th of March 2015.

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Old 03-22-2015, 10:57 PM   #17
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Yes....and because TT's, 5ths are non motorized, they do not need to be presented to the US Customs first, you simply pull up to the Canadian Customs with it in tow, and have your paperwork in hand...Motorhomes are a different story altogether.
Also my experience has been that it is extremely difficult to trade a TT or 5th in the US coming from Canada. Majority of dealers won't touch it with a 10 ft pole because the whole aspect of titling the unit becomes complicated since we don't title in Canada. They would just as soon not have to deal with it.

For what it's worth...I have also imported 4 vehicles from the US...was also relatively simple as long as you did your homework, but with the new rules in place, I may be less inclined to do that now.
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It will come soon before you know it. We will have to do the same on trailers and many other things too. They are trying to block private people to go over and do big item shopping. Make it more difficult, times are changing to a big corporate world. They can do anything we can do nothing. It's just a another way to grab peoples hard earned money. Most brokers charge by % on the imported value. Same paperwork just the amount is different at the end of the bill. It's pathetic our government and a US adapted this. I guess this is a new job creation so it's all good. Are they trying to control us more or where we buy things? Ah not at all, just want to make more money.
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It will come soon before you know it. We will have to do the same on trailers and many other things too. They are trying to block private people to go over and do big item shopping. Make it more difficult, times are changing to a big corporate world. They can do anything we can do nothing. It's just a another way to grab peoples hard earned money. Most brokers charge by % on the imported value. Same paperwork just the amount is different at the end of the bill. It's pathetic our government and a US adapted this. I guess this is a new job creation so it's all good. Are they trying to control us more or where we buy things? Ah not at all, just want to make more money.
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As much as I would like to elaborate on this subject I know it would end up becoming a political argument so all I can say to my fellow Canadians is if Ervnglobal is right keep a big jar of vaseline hand.
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As much as I would like to elaborate on this subject I know it would end up becoming a political argument so all I can say to my fellow Canadians is if Ervnglobal is right keep a big jar of vaseline hand.
I should have not post this as it is out of the original topic. I apologize. I was just very upset how much money they stole out my pocket with ďmy consentĒ. Iím sure more of us buying big item products manufactured in the south. I just wanted warn people about this enormous expense which excluded us out of NAFTA. Iím sure there are many hidden ďtaxesĒ when our dealers, importers bringing products into Canada. Thatís why we pay more as Canadians. I had to say this just at last. Sorry.....
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