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Old 04-20-2009, 02:32 PM   #11
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Thanks all for great input. I did already buy the 09' F150. To answer some questions that came up here is what I have. The 09'F150 does have the Max Trailer tow and the window sticker says it was upgraded to a 7200# GVWR package. The tires are a passenger tire in which I plan to get some "E" tires for it. The truck came with anti-sway technology and a intragrated brake controller that works with your ABS system. The trailer I am towing is a 09' Rockwood 8306 SS signature ultra light that sticker shows has an UVW of 7000#. I did purchase the Equalizer 4 way WD hitch. I did consider the payload capacity of F350 Vs F150 and was hoping the WD hitch would help.
To answer grrhodes50 question; I did compare the 150 and 250 prices and the F150 I bought was about $1,000 cheaper than the F350 and had a lot more "luxuries" on it. The F150 also had more dealer incentives, around $4,750. I went with the F150 because I may tow the camper twice a month locally and it is my main transport vehicle everyday use. Thanks for all input (even the one about Chevy's) and please keep them coming.
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:24 PM   #12
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Gongrats on the new truck, redtango2!

I have been thinking about doing the same as you since my TV and everyday vehicle are one and the same. That's the reason I had the Ford '09 Towing Guide. I'm just waiting for the fall to see what kind of deals they offer on the '09's after the 2010's come out. I may wait till next March for a 2010 when Ford has their annual truck month.
I haven't heard from anyone on the F150's with the max tow package so after you hook up and tow your trailer let us know how things go.

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Old 04-21-2009, 08:47 PM   #13
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just a few random thoughts that i'd like to share on the subject.

I bought my first "plain jane" diesel in July of 2004...it was one of the first 04.5 dodge ram ST models with the H.O. cummins engine that put out 325hp and 610 torque and had a 6 speed manual trani in it. I miss that truck. I bought it because i put on around 35000 miles a year to work and back and the resale of my gas cars/trucks were going out the window compared to what i still owed on them. I got tired of it and after talking to a salesman, i was talked into trying one out. Sold!

Upgraded the ST model in August of 2006 to another Cummins diesel with some options...everything short of leather seats, sunroof, and dual climate control. Same power output of 325/610 but this time with an auto. Wish i got the 6-sp manual again, but the wife can't drive it. Good thing/Bad thing... (Note: current models have a 6 speed auto in them now, but in mine, it was not an option)

Decided after the first one that i'd never go back to a gasser...those that drive a diesel, know what im talking about. The engine doesn't fully come alive until you have about 85k-100k miles on it and then it's smooth as silk. At one time between the 1st and 2nd diesel, I thought about trading it in for a tacoma, but then i saw the price tag and fuel estimates of a Tacoma and i laughed all the way back to my Dodge and drove back home with a s#It-eating grin on my face.

Installed a computer module a couple of weeks ago to get a few more horses and a bit more torque and I officially solidified my decision to never go back. (google quadzilla, edge juice, TS Performance MP-8, bullydog, smarty or smart jr. for more info on this topic)

There's talk about some baby diesels being installed into some of the half ton vehicles in the U.S., but I haven't seen anything come out as of yet. I don't know that i'll be one to test the first ones out, but it will have my attention.

I know that the brand new Diesels ones are pretty expensive, but many of the used ones still look new and drive like new and are sometimes less of a hassle then the newer ones since the 2010 emissions requirements were a target for the Dodge world starting in mid 2007. But that's also when Dodge increased the HP and torque numbers again, although I can't quote the exact numbers. I think they are now 350/650, but don't quote me on that. I cannot comment on any experiences with Duramax or PowerStroke as I have not driven one or owned one, but i'm sure the experience would be the same.

Anyway, that's all i have for now.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:55 PM   #14
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Thanks all for great input. I did already buy the 09' F150. To answer some questions that came up here is what I have. The 09'F150 does have the Max Trailer tow and the window sticker says it was upgraded to a 7200# GVWR package. The tires are a passenger tire in which I plan to get some "E" tires for it. The truck came with anti-sway technology and a intragrated brake controller that works with your ABS system. The trailer I am towing is a 09' Rockwood 8306 SS signature ultra light that sticker shows has an UVW of 7000#. I did purchase the Equalizer 4 way WD hitch. I did consider the payload capacity of F350 Vs F150 and was hoping the WD hitch would help.
To answer grrhodes50 question; I did compare the 150 and 250 prices and the F150 I bought was about $1,000 cheaper than the F350 and had a lot more "luxuries" on it. The F150 also had more dealer incentives, around $4,750. I went with the F150 because I may tow the camper twice a month locally and it is my main transport vehicle everyday use. Thanks for all input (even the one about Chevy's) and please keep them coming.

OK, I am a Chevy guy I do have a question, are you saying that your 09 is rated for 7,200 lbs max tow capacity? The reason I am asking is because I bought a new left over 2008 Chevy Extended Cab Heavy Duty 1/2 ton ( Vortec Max ) 4x4 and it is rated at 10,500 lbs max tow rating capacity. Is your truck listed as a Heavy Duty Model or just a stardard 1/2 ton with max tow equipment? The camper I tow is a 8314ss with a fill load weight of 7,910 lbs. I think that the Chevy stantard 1/2 ton is rated at 7,200 lbs.
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Old 04-22-2009, 07:36 AM   #15
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rockwood06,
I believe retang02 said the towing capacity on his '09 with the max tow pacakge (MTP) is 11,100 lbs. The 7,200 lbs is his GVWR. Subtract the empty weight of his tv from that and it should give him his payload capacity.
The MTP is a new option for the '09s. They still offer the "regular" tow package. I guess you can look at the '09 with the MTP as a heavy duty Ĺ ton.
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I believe retang02 said the towing capacity on his '09 with the max tow package (MTP) is 11,100 lbs. The 7,200 lbs is his GVWR. Subtract the empty weight of his tv from that and it should give him his payload capacity.
The MTP is a new option for the '09s. They still offer the "regular" tow package. I guess you can look at the '09 with the MTP as a heavy duty Ĺ ton.

OK, thanks for the explanation. I guess I read it wrong and I am not formilular with the new Ford line.
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:45 AM   #17
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grrhodes50 is right rockwood06, the 2009 F150 with the max trailer tow package, is a "beefier" 1/2 ton. They called it a heavy half. I was told it was the way Ford put a different curve (maybe negative curve? dunno) on the 1/2 tons with MTP. I can't say how it tows yet due to needing to get around 1500 miles on the truck before I can tow. I can say, the inside is huge. Definitely more leg room in the back than previous models, enough for an adult to stretch his legs a little. The only bad thing so far is it does not ride as nice as my 2001 supercrew.
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:04 PM   #18
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My 2006 F150 came with a no charge "7200# GVWR Package", whatever that meant. I thought all F150s were rated @ 7200 lbs, but maybe not.

My SIL was curious about what his 2004 F350 was rated to tow, so I looked it up for him at https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...r_F250_350.pdf. His F350 with the same running gear as my F150 (4x4, 5.4L, Auto Tranny, 3.73 gears) was 7100 lbs. max. conventional trailer towing, where my 2006 F150 (and the 2004s) are rated to tow 9300 lbs. The GCVWR on his truck is 13,500 lbs, and on mine it is 15,000 lbs....go figure. When you got the V10 and Diesel, the ratings went up of course. I am just wondering if Ford put those numbers out there to encourage buyers to opt for the more expensive engines on the bigger trucks. I just can't figure out any other reason that a bigger truck with the same running gear is rated below a 1/2 ton truck.......except maybe for the additional weight in a heavier built truck.......but I can't believe that his truck is 2200 lbs. heavier.
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:13 AM   #19
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Hey there dodge guy, I am new to whole forum thing. Why not bring it up on RV.net?
Oh, don`t get me wrong, you can. it`s just that all the die hard 3/4-1ton guys will be all over your post like bees on honey! don`t say I didn`t warn you though!

Now that I think about it, you should post this question over there. I`de love to see how it turns out!!! should be fun to watch. seriously!
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As in many cases, I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Diesel torque is nice but may not be required. Hefty pricetag goes along with the diesel. ( Yeah, yeah, I know, the resale value argument). But I think you would have to do a lot of towing to justify a diesel if your application doesn't require it due to overall weight. A medium sized trailer and a few thousand miles of towing a year might be a large gasser application.
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