F150 tow/haul numbers??

[KyDan]

First I really appreciate all the helpful knowledge and discussion in the
thread yesterday "educate me about 1/2 ton trucks".
I REALLY appreciate all who contributed!!!

Now can you help me find the numbers? I just spent 20 minutes trying
to get actual numbers and the Ford website just runs me in circles with
"best in class" "ranges between "5000 and 11000".
I could not figure out how to find the numbers for my dream truck.

Here's what I specked out and will buy immediately after I win the lotto!

F150 XLT Extended cab regular bed 2WD
3.5L ecoboost
10 sp tranny
3.55 locking rear end
Max trailer tow package

Can one of you truckies find the tow/haul numbers for this truck??

Please include a link if you can!
Thanks!!

[dustman_stx]

Max Towing will be 12,000. That's easy to publish because it doesn't fluctuate based on options. Max payload cannot be published because it changes based upon options. I would venture it's possible that there would be some minor variations even with identical trucks. With that being said, your payload will likely fall somewhere in the 2000-2200 range depending on how you option it.

[jrminiquad]

Keep in mind that you most likely go over your payload capacity before ever reaching that max. tow number.

The only way to know what that payload number is to look on the specific truck you are interested in. It will be a sticker on the door jamb.

We just bought a similar F150 Lariat a few months ago, similar to what you are asking about, except crew cab.

Drove it from NE Ohio to Florida and back last month pulling a fully loaded Grey Wolf 27RR with no issues.

[KyDan]

Originally Posted by jrminiquad

The only way to know what that payload number is to look on the specific truck you are interested in. It will be a sticker on the door jamb.

Can't do that! No dealer anywhere near me has my dream truck.
Not gonna order a truck without solid numbers.

You say you bought a similar truck??
3.5L?
3.55 rear end?
Max tow package?
10 sp tranny?

What body style do you have and what are your tow/haul numbers?

[jrk341]

Another option you should consider are the towing mirrors.

[clarkbre]

Originally Posted by KyDan

Can't do that! No dealer anywhere near me has my dream truck.
Not gonna order a truck without solid numbers.....

As you build or spec out a truck with any dealer, they should be able to tell you the GVWR (It would be listed on a build sheet).

This isn't for the 2018, but the 2017 Ford F-150 Pickup Trailer Towing Selector will give you an excellent run down of what your dream truck will be capable of.

Based on page 2, that configuration would be able to tow 12,000. You would also want/need/require nothing less than the "53C" tow package. With a tongue weight of 10-15%, it could be anywhere from 1200-1800 lbs. Depending on your bed length and Max GVWR, your payload could be anywhere from 2230 to 2920. Referenced at the bottom of page 31

Overall, that could be a helluva truck for towing!

[babock]

Page 33 for towing and 34 for payload

https://www.ford.com/services/assets...-150&year=2018

As you can see, you need some unique configurations to reach their max payload numbers.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by jrminiquad

Keep in mind that you most likely go over your payload capacity before ever reaching that max. tow number.

The only way to know what that payload number is to look on the specific truck you are interested in. It will be a sticker on the door jamb.

We just bought a similar F150 Lariat a few months ago, similar to what you are asking about, except crew cab.

Drove it from NE Ohio to Florida and back last month pulling a fully loaded Grey Wolf 27RR with no issues.

True. But also keep in mind that Ford dropped the GVWR for the MaxTow trucks by ~ 700 pounds. Everything on it is stronger, but it's now less capable? Therer's no reason from an engineering standpoint to lower the capacity on a stronger truck (more high strength steel in the frame now, for example). Only explanation is that they needed the F150 numbers reduced to keep payload numbers in check in relation the F250 once they went to the aluminum body on the F150. Basically I'm stating that if the 2015 MaxTow can handle a 7700 GVWR, then you really can't explain the 2018 for not being able to handle 7700 GVWR. Unless someone can specifically point to what Ford "weakened" on the new ones???? Only possible argument to me is that they changed spring specifications to soften the ride with the lighter unladen weight- easily remedied. So, will the number on the door jamb change? No. Do what you want, but it's pretty evident this was a marketing decision, though.

[babock]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

Basically I'm stating that if the 2015 MaxTow can handle a 7700 GVWR, then you really can't explain the 2018 for not being able to handle 7700 GVWR

What version of the truck are you talking about? If you look at the link I put in right above your post you will find trucks with 7650 and 7800 GVWR for 2018. You will need the 6.5' bed to do it though.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by babock

What version of the truck are you talking about? If you look at the link I put in right above yours you will find trucks with 7650 and 7800 GVWR for 2018.

That's the HD payload version. Before the aluminum body, the Max Tow version had a GVWR of 7650 or 7700 depending on config. Most non MaxTow were around 7200. Now GVWR runs around 7000-7050, even for MaxTow versions. I suggest you go back to the pre aluminum body trucks and research all of the Ford doc- you can find specs on the frame, axles, brakes- everything structural. Compare those numbers to the the ones you'll find on the post aluminum body trucks. Once you fully understand all of those numbers, you'll realize that there is a pretty significant influence outside of engineering that is affecting the GVWR/Payload numbers.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

That's the HD payload version. Before the aluminum body, the Max Tow version had a GVWR of 7650 or 7700 depending on config. Most non MaxTow were around 7200. Now GVWR runs around 7000-7050, even for MaxTow versions. I suggest you go back to the pre aluminum body trucks and research all of the Ford doc- you can find specs on the frame, axles, brakes- everything structural. Compare those numbers to the the ones you'll find on the post aluminum body trucks. Once you fully understand all of those numbers, you'll realize that there is a pretty significant influence outside of engineering that is affecting the GVWR/Payload numbers.

One also needs to understand where the individual component ratings come from. For example, many trucks will use the exact same axle, but they'll have different springs installed. The axle rating is determined by which spring is used and is not an indication of actual axle limitation.

[DNA Dan]

The aluminum redesign IMO made the trucks "less capable" to push buyers into super duty territory.

I for one would IGNORE the numbers, because ultimately real-world towing is what matters. We all know companies lie about their numbers, spec them with limited options, under very specific circumstances, etc. Since the dawn of time people have complained that they cannot reach tow limits, MPG, etc. advertised by truck/car manufacturers.

My take is if you need to tow anything 8000 pounds or greater, you should be looking at a super duty or more. I have a 2012 EB 3.5L and tow about 7000-7500 lbs on a 3.73 axle. I could not imagine going much higher than this or dropping to a 3.55 rear. You will be working the truck very hard if you go through a lot of mountains. Reduced component life should really be a factor in your decision as well.

[babock]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

That's the HD payload version. Before the aluminum body, the Max Tow version had a GVWR of 7650 or 7700 depending on config.

LOL...And this matters how? Bottom line, it can be equipped with a larger GVWR than 7000 if the OP so desires. The why and how it is different before the aluminum body came along does not matter at this point.

[Semperfi24]

I think the best way for the OP to get an idea of payload capacities would be for owners to list their options and what their actual payload numbers are.

I think the payload numbers would be very comfortable in a truck with the options the OP is wanting. (2wd, extended cab, that is a payload boost right there).

Not to muddy the waters, because my truck is heavier, but here goes:
Super crew (which makes my truck heavier than OP's desired truck)
4WD (again, mine is heavier)
6 foot bed
Max Tow (with the towing mirrors) ***This is important for the OP, they are additional to the tow package, dont assume you will get the mirrors just because you have the package, its stupid, but for some reason thats how Ford does it now***
I also have the moon roof (which adds weight)
3.55 gears
36 gallon tank (I would also highly recommend the extended range fuel tank)
1594 payload. I lost about 75lbs of payload from my 2015 to my 2018, but the only difference is 6 foot bed on my new truck and 5 foot bed on the old one.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by DNA Dan

The aluminum redesign IMO made the trucks "less capable" to push buyers into super duty territory.

I for one would IGNORE the numbers, because ultimately real-world towing is what matters. We all know companies lie about their numbers, spec them with limited options, under very specific circumstances, etc. Since the dawn of time people have complained that they cannot reach tow limits, MPG, etc. advertised by truck/car manufacturers.

My take is if you need to tow anything 8000 pounds or greater, you should be looking at a super duty or more. I have a 2012 EB 3.5L and tow about 7000-7500 lbs on a 3.73 axle. I could not imagine going much higher than this or dropping to a 3.55 rear. You will be working the truck very hard if you go through a lot of mountains. Reduced component life should really be a factor in your decision as well.

My premise has always been that there is absolutely no way that you can put a static number on an extremely dynamic situation. If you're capable of rubbing 2 brain cells together, you'll understand that the "amount of truck" needed for a guy towing on flat ground 30 minutes to the local lake a few times a year at 55mph is VASTLY different from the amount of truck needed to regularly tow the Ike Gauntlet. I've heard people say of firearms that the "safety is between your ears." Same holds true for towing.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by babock

LOL...And this matters how? Bottom line, it can be equipped with a larger GVWR than 7000 if the OP so desires. The why and how it is different before the aluminum body came along does not matter at this point.

Some people are critical thinkers and question things. I suppose it's in my nature to see 2 trucks sitting beside each other and question why the improved and stronger one has a lower GVWR. You severely limit your options when going to the HD Payload version, too, btw.

[babock]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

You severely limit your options when going to the HD Payload version, too, btw.

Regarding the OP in what way? Sounds like he wants an extra cab PU.

The truck he has only has a 2000# payload. It will be more with the Ford F-150 no matter if he gets the HD package or not.

I thought this thread was helping the OP find his payload numbers.

[DNA Dan]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

My premise has always been that there is absolutely no way that you can put a static number on an extremely dynamic situation. If you're capable of rubbing 2 brain cells together, you'll understand that the "amount of truck" needed for a guy towing on flat ground 30 minutes to the local lake a few times a year at 55mph is VASTLY different from the amount of truck needed to regularly tow the Ike Gauntlet. I've heard people say of firearms that the "safety is between your ears." Same holds true for towing.

Very true. I personally shoot for the IKE gauntlet in terms of capability because
1) Component lifespan is always overrated (Transmissions are expensive)
2) You can't control conditions (excessive heat, cold, etc.)
3) The load you pull may change by activity, needs, wants.

I suppose one could make the argument that the better components are priced into the super duty cost, but here is where a used vehicle could save you thousands and possibly be a much better value.

Another way of looking at this is what "level" of towing do you want to be at? A 1/2 ton is only so capable and you need to be realistic if you want the IKE gauntlet capability.

[SailorSam20500]

For the OP. Cargo number varies based on option content of the truck - to many variations to publish a list. There is a document floating around that has weights for the options last one I saw was for MY 2016, not sure if there is a newer one.
Also, on the F150 forum, there is a thread that goes to Semperfi24's recommendation. Thread asked folks to publish their numbers. He has a spreadsheet that was updated a few weeks back and started to get 2018 numbers on the thread. The spreadsheet has about 150 entries for MY starting 2011. Hope this helps with your search.
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/post-your-payload-332538/

[KyDan]

I'm just really disappointed that Ford.com website where I "built my truck"
could show all the whistles and bells and options AND MSRP and discounts etc but no where does it even mention
Tow/haul numbers.
Not one.
Sheesh.....

AND after I went thru all that and submitted my choices to my local dealer
and specifically asked for their price on my dream truck they ignore
my messages to email me details and simply reply I should come by
and talk to them.

What the heck good is "build online" if my dealer insists on speaking to
me face to face?
I know for a fact they don't have any truck in stock that's even close to
my dream truck.
First thing when I search inventory for the Louisville metro Ford dealers
as soon as I check the box for extended cab and 3.5L most of their stock falls off the list.
Then I check the box for color and loose the rest.
Don't even try to find one with the maximum tow and my other choices.

So I know they don't have my dream truck in stock. If they did I'd go look
today. Since I'll have to order IF I DECIDE TO BUY I'm not in a hurry.
We're heading south with my current rig in a couple weeks!

I'm satisfied my dream truck is more capable than what I'm driving now
and my current rig got me to San Diego just 11 months ago!
I'm pretty sure it will get me to the warmer side of Florida in a couple weeks just like it's done several times before.

PS- I am aware the maximum tow package does not include the manual
extend manual folding RV mirrors.
Thanks all for pointing that out. It does seem like the RV mirrors would be
part of the max tow package.
I do have that on my dream truck list of options too.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the local dealers don't have that on their in stock
trucks either.

They want to sell inventory before Jan 1 so they can avoid tax.
I want to buy after Jan 1 for the same reason!

I visited the consumer reports buy a car website and got their price so I'm
fairly confident my dream truck falls right around $38-39,000.
My trade in according to KBB is very close to $10,000
trade in and sell myself value were not that far apart.

Yeah, I've got the fever but timing isn't great so I'm gonna cool my jets
until we get back from sunny Florida!

Hey bartender another round for my friends please!!
Happy Trails!