F350 Diesel Question

[ferguson65]

Originally Posted by BandJCarm

I really don't know diddley squat about it. A Ram guy told me "That ain't a real jake brake" and I believed him.

And neither is his on the Ram. As stated earlier, the braking is coming from the positioning of the vanes in the turbo, be it Ford, Ram, or GM. A "Jake" brake opens then exhaust valves during the compression stroke, releasing the compressed air into the exhaust. Pickups don't work like that.

And Xwherever we are on letting the truck cool down. Don't pull off the highway and just shut down a turbodiesel. I don't care what brand it is. Yes, idling is bad for the new DPF equipped stuff, but as already posted 5 minutes won't hurt. I watch the engine oil temp on my 6.7. Once it drops to 197 or lower, I'll shut it down. I usually stop, get out, walk around the truck and trailer, have a look at the tires and just make sure everything looks good. Then I come back, check temp and shut the truck off.


If it's just a quick bathroom break, I flip my high idle switch to set it to 1100 rpm and never shut it down.

[Camperstewart]

Normally mine is idling during the discontinuation of the Fifth wheel which generally takes about five minutes therefore allowing cooldown time of the turbo. Was always told to let it cool down by my elders who have many years experience so it just became a practice to do this.

[wicked1]

Originally Posted by Camperstewart

Normally mine is idling during the discontinuation of the Fifth wheel which generally takes about five minutes therefore allowing cooldown time of the turbo. Was always told to let it cool down by my elders who have many years experience so it just became a practice to do this.

Plan on doing the same thing, also it has a bit of time to cool down while your driving slowly they the campground, does anyone know what the Danger Zone is for Oil Temp and Trans Temp on a 2016 F350 6.7? Just bought mine and all I can find is the normal temp with No Trailer?


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

[blwnsmoke]

Originally Posted by wicked1

Plan on doing the same thing, also it has a bit of time to cool down while your driving slowly they the campground, does anyone know what the Danger Zone is for Oil Temp and Trans Temp on a 2016 F350 6.7? Just bought mine and all I can find is the normal temp with No Trailer?


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

Unloaded you will see 197-203*.

If you are towing, you will see it run anywhere from 205-220. I typically see 215-220 when pulling my 13k 5th wheel on slight grades to flat land.

When pulling steep grades you can see it climb into the 240s on oil temps. You will not get any warnings until you approach 250*.

These trucks like to run warm so don't freak out if you start seeing 220-240* if pulling a heavy load in the middle of summer.

Tranny temps normally run high 190s to 210.. I don't typically see it climb much more then that.

[wicked1]

Thanks blown smoke, appreciate the info as I do not tow a whole lot we tend to have 3-9 night stays but during the heat of the summer I will be keeping an eye on it also going thru mountains in PA.


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

[deebarjay]

cooling time is req'd for the turbo sake.....hot engine oil will not hurt anything, but egt's, coolant and tranny temps all come down as you idle to let turbo cool down to shutdown temp of about 300* [after/post turbo] ...if you are reading gases entering before turbo as i do, i use 330*, then shut down.
i have seen very hot temps...like tranny at 230*,engine oil at 245*, coolant at 235* pulling a load from colorado springs up to woodland park,and then the engine going into regen on the way up....scary !! but all said and done all within tolerances .....long as you let the turbo cool down before shutting down you are fine.
as an aside, people should read the "severe service" part in their trucks manuals,and change oil as stated....i dont know that the oil moniter with % to go to oil change,takes into account severe service. i do my own servicing at 5000 miles.

[wicked1]

I always change my oil when the Ford Meter reads 25% plus all my oil changes are included by the dealer up to 100K something I negotiated when I bought mine because I don't have an area where I can change the oil at home. They won't change it any sooner then 25% since they are paying for it.


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

[blwnsmoke]

Originally Posted by deebarjay

cooling time is req'd for the turbo sake.....hot engine oil will not hurt anything, but egt's, coolant and tranny temps all come down as you idle to let turbo cool down to shutdown temp of about 300* [after/post turbo] ...if you are reading gases entering before turbo as i do, i use 330*, then shut down.
i have seen very hot temps...like tranny at 230*,engine oil at 245*, coolant at 235* pulling a load from colorado springs up to woodland park,and then the engine going into regen on the way up....scary !! but all said and done all within tolerances .....long as you let the turbo cool down before shutting down you are fine.
as an aside, people should read the "severe service" part in their trucks manuals,and change oil as stated....i dont know that the oil moniter with % to go to oil change,takes into account severe service. i do my own servicing at 5000 miles.

The OLM isn't just a mileage or time interval. It monitors MANY different metrics within the truck (idle time, rpm, speed, time and many more).

The OLM on these trucks get you to about 7,300-7,500 miles before a required oil change happens.

I've had my oil tested at 7,400 miles on the oil itself and there was plenty of protection left in the oil. In fact, they recommended running it another 1,000 miles and testing again however at 7,400, the OLM told me to change it so I did and I'll continue to follow that since the proof is in the test.



I have a little over 6,000 miles on this oil change so far and the last check my OLM was at 28%. It will alert me at 10% left and I'll retest again.

[wicked1]

Blwnsmoke where do you get that test done?


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

[blwnsmoke]

Originally Posted by wicked1

Blwnsmoke where do you get that test done?


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php

Kits are free, $18- $28 for the test, depends on if you want it tested for how much protection is left (TBN number). I will do the full test again this change and if the TBN is the same (running Rotella t6), I will only do the analysis less the TBN test.

Many will say just change it early (5k seems to be the common choice) but you have no clue if anything is going on. At $80 an oil change, I rather go 50% longer and have documentation that everything internally is good and all my protection is still there.

For proper math.

5k Oil changes is $240 over 3 changes.

7,500 mile changes per the OLM is $160 +$18 for a documented test.

The savings adds up and for those who change it yourself, the analysis is documented proof that you did the change with hours and miles on it.

Once they receive your sample, they will mail you another kit to hold for your next change/test

[wicked1]

Awesome, thanks mine are paid for by Dealer.


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

[spock123]

I don't have a Ford, I have a Silverado and I shut my truck down whenever I stop. Sometimes I shut it down in a traffic jam, I don't idle my truck much. My son drives for Walmart and as soon as he stops he shuts the engine off.


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[boomer116ars]

I prefer after starting to ease into the warm up by driving slower until the coolant temperature is in the normal range. Shutdowns are always with a cool down depending on how hard the engine has been worked - anywhere from just under a minute to three minutes It is spelled out that way in the Ram owners manual. As far as the tow/haul on flat ground and if the transmission is not constantly down shifting I do not use it. The engine brake I use all of the time except in winter driving conditions.
2014 3500 Ram 280 hp with Aisin pulling a 2008 3055RL Bighorn.

[Joe_GA]

Originally Posted by blwnsmoke

I bought an OBDII wifi adapter (bluetooth is available as well) and using a $5 app called FORSCAN.

You can monitor hundreds of PIDS and access every computer the truck has.

This is a little more then half of the computers you can choose and then within each one you can see anywhere from 12 to 100s of options to look at.



The only down side is you can only monitor 1 computer at a time but just about everything I monitor is in the PCM.

I do check my tire pressure occasionally to make sure everything is ok. It uses the factory sensors that you can't pull up on the dash so it is nice to bring the tablet outside with me while filling up each tire and seeing it immediately increase/decrease.



Also has your CEL codes.. here is one from my wife's Explorer and it goes into great detail.



For under $25 (adapter and app) you can do much more then any monitor on the market.

The other nice thing is you can data log so when you are actually monitoring things, it is recording it and you can save it as a file for those pesky "can't duplicate" dealer visits.

Lastly, I bought a cup holder mount for my tablet. I'd highly recommend a tablet over a cell phone. Having an 8" screen is much easier to see then a 4-5" screen. Plus you can fit a lot more on a tablet (25 PIDS)

Well, I finally got a chance to try it out and it works great! Taking your advice to use a tablet, I got out my wife's discarded Microsoft Surface RT and proceeded to download the free program for Windows. Nope. Not compatible with the Surface. Oh well. My wife currently uses an Apple IPad, but she wouldn't give that up unless I bought her a new one! I'll have to see if I can find one that uses regular Windows operating system. I assume yours does.
Anyway, thanks so much for getting me started. I can use my IPhone until I find a tablet.

[doc73]

It is probably android based.

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[wicked1]

Originally Posted by Joe_GA

Well, I finally got a chance to try it out and it works great! Taking your advice to use a tablet, I got out my wife's discarded Microsoft Surface RT and proceeded to download the free program for Windows. Nope. Not compatible with the Surface. Oh well. My wife currently uses an Apple IPad, but she wouldn't give that up unless I bought her a new one! I'll have to see if I can find one that uses regular Windows operating system. I assume yours does.

Anyway, thanks so much for getting me started. I can use my IPhone until I find a tablet.

Apple has cheap iPads in the refurbished section of the store they are just as good as new and come with a full warranty, get an iPad Mini for yourself cheaper.

Has anyone tried the Banks Monitoring system? Does it just not display the amount of data? Or is because it is nearly $500.00 that no one bought one?


2016 F350 SCREW SB 6.7 PS Diesel
2015 FR Rockwood Roo 23IKSS

[blwnsmoke]

Originally Posted by Joe_GA

Well, I finally got a chance to try it out and it works great! Taking your advice to use a tablet, I got out my wife's discarded Microsoft Surface RT and proceeded to download the free program for Windows. Nope. Not compatible with the Surface. Oh well. My wife currently uses an Apple IPad, but she wouldn't give that up unless I bought her a new one! I'll have to see if I can find one that uses regular Windows operating system. I assume yours does.
Anyway, thanks so much for getting me started. I can use my IPhone until I find a tablet.

Android and iOS only.. I do not believe it will run on a Windows platform.

Worst case, go to Bestbuy.com, they have several generic $99 tablets that are in the 7-8" screen size.

[Joe_GA]

Originally Posted by blwnsmoke

Android and iOS only.. I do not believe it will run on a Windows platform.

Worst case, go to Bestbuy.com, they have several generic $99 tablets that are in the 7-8" screen size.

Maybe it is new, but I found this on their WEB site. It was the beta version that I tried.
Thought I'd look for a used tablet, but refurbished wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Crusadernoob]

Read this thread, lot's of interesting point's. Our Duramax we have a separate exhaust brake and tow haul. To clarify, the exhaust brake will work when not in T/H mode, but only from a speed when the torque converter is locked, so above 45 mph range, it will stay engaged down to 20 mph, it is very aggressive, almost can't use it too much when empty. When in T/H, the Allison will lock the torque converter in second gear, so the exhaust brake will function any time above 20 mph. As stated before, the T/H mode changes the line pressure and increases the shift point's, more rpm at shift point's, in T/H mode this alone decelerates the truck very well, include the exhaust brake and brakes are not really needed if you pay attention to your stopping distance.

As far as my feeling's on warm up and cool down, in warmer weather I let it run about a minute and cruise at low rpm until warm, we aren't hard on our truck anyway so just cruising into town we don't see over 1,800-2,000 rpm any way. As far as cool down while towing, usually by the time we exit the highway, sit at a few light's and make our way to the pump the oil will be cooled down, I let it idle a minute and shut it down, exhaust gases, oil temp. and coolant temp. will drop fairly quick on a mechanically sound engine.
As far as oil temp. while working your truck, I am thinking, IIRC, that the Duramax, and even the gas GM's will automatically put the oil life to 0% if the oil temp. goes over the 250F mark, at that temp, the oil is done, replace it.

[spock123]

Originally Posted by Crusadernoob

Read this thread, lot's of interesting point's. Our Duramax we have a separate exhaust brake and tow haul. To clarify, the exhaust brake will work when not in T/H mode, but only from a speed when the torque converter is locked, so above 45 mph range, it will stay engaged down to 20 mph, it is very aggressive, almost can't use it too much when empty. When in T/H, the Allison will lock the torque converter in second gear, so the exhaust brake will function any time above 20 mph. As stated before, the T/H mode changes the line pressure and increases the shift point's, more rpm at shift point's, in T/H mode this alone decelerates the truck very well, include the exhaust brake and brakes are not really needed if you pay attention to your stopping distance.



As far as my feeling's on warm up and cool down, in warmer weather I let it run about a minute and cruise at low rpm until warm, we aren't hard on our truck anyway so just cruising into town we don't see over 1,800-2,000 rpm any way. As far as cool down while towing, usually by the time we exit the highway, sit at a few light's and make our way to the pump the oil will be cooled down, I let it idle a minute and shut it down, exhaust gases, oil temp. and coolant temp. will drop fairly quick on a mechanically sound engine.

As far as oil temp. while working your truck, I am thinking, IIRC, that the Duramax, and even the gas GM's will automatically put the oil life to 0% if the oil temp. goes over the 250F mark, at that temp, the oil is done, replace it.

Seems like good information


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