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Old 09-26-2016, 12:42 AM   #171
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Propane is not a campfire for me. I cannot see setting around a liquefied-petroleum flame whilst enjoying a fine cigar, libations and engaging conversation. The crackling and sizzling sounds, intermittent jostling of the logs with the steel poker we always carry, moving chairs about to avoid the moving smoke currents, and the smell of the burning wood are all essential to the experience, and not to be duplicated by propane or pellets.

I usually carry one sealed bag of USDA approved kiln-dried firewood to my destination. That lets me have one fire the night of arrival and buy locally the next day, without providing entomological transportation.

I did see a county park campsite this year in Wisconsin that had a smoke-free campsite, with no fires allowed. The way this is trending, we will soon be watching videos of a campfires on an outside TV or smartphones while warming marshmallows in our armpits.

Wood (and the attendant insects) are transported daily by landscapers, homeowners, home supply stores, gardeners, nurseries, firewood purveyors, tree service companies, utility companies, and by water through rivers and lakes. The insects are transported in mulch, fallen wood, timber for pulp and lumber, firewood, live nursery stock, and even old demolished structures. The relatively smaller amount of wood transported by recreational campers probably won't make a difference. While I won't contribute to the problem myself by transporting non kiln-dried lumber or firewood any distances, ultimately all of these bans will be lifted as the infestation spread will continue unabated. With no places left unaffected, a ban will no longer make any sense.

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Old 09-26-2016, 01:18 AM   #172
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Donating it to someone specific is a good idea. I also don't see anything wrong with picking up fire wood left behind by another RVer. Generally speaking it's nice to share when there's more than just a few pieces of wood.

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Old 09-26-2016, 06:45 AM   #173
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No, as I said in my previous post I'm paying it forward to a specific person and they are accepting my gift, not scrounging.
So who is that person? You know them? I'm guessing you don't. So you're actually just leaving it for the next random person that will occupy your site. Who may not even show up for 3,4,5 days or so. There may be a chance of rain over the few days that it is sitting there, or the chance that the campground itself will take it.
I can see why it would be just awful for some one who is actually there camping to use it after you discarded it.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:12 AM   #174
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The Provincial Parks in Ontario tell you not bring firewood, however, it is not enforced, that I've seen. I sometimes take my own wood, I have a wood-stove and the wood from home is mostly maple, oak and yellow birch.

Ironically, my firewood is transported two hours south to me and I carry it back up north to camp.

When I know that a local is selling quality wood close to the park I will buy from them. I found this local and he charged me $30 for a box width and box high of birch. I always by from him when in the area.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:23 AM   #175
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Originally Posted by howie70 View Post
So who is that person? You know them? I'm guessing you don't. So you're actually just leaving it for the next random person that will occupy your site. Who may not even show up for 3,4,5 days or so. There may be a chance of rain over the few days that it is sitting there, or the chance that the campground itself will take it.
I can see why it would be just awful for some one who is actually there camping to use it after you discarded it.
Leaving it to a random person? Yes, and that's exactly the point of "paying it forward". Like paying for the coffee of the person behind you at the coffee shop. There is an intended person to receive it, not just anyone walking by. I think of camp sites like rental accommodations. If someone isn't renting the site, why are they on the site pilfering from it? If I want just anyone to take it, I'll leave it beside the campground road not in the back corner of the site by the fire pit.

Where we camp at provincial parks the sites are generally booked solid for the entire summer - you have to book 5 months in advance - and I can see from the reservations site that someone is coming in to the site that afternoon.

No sense taking this discussion any further, I seem to be the only one who thinks this way. So it must be me.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:50 AM   #176
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I'm happy when I get to a campground that doesn't allow campfires. Or if I am beside someone that builds campfires then I'm doing a rain dance. DW has allergies and campfires right besides our camper makes for bad nights for her. I like a fire and I think I'll try out the propane fire pits, I'll just look for a small one

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Old 09-26-2016, 07:52 AM   #177
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:54 AM   #178
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itat ... not just you.
"Society" is different today, that it was twenty, thirty, forty years ago.
Can't vouch for nowadays, but back when we were in scouting, it was more about skills and leadership than about "social justice" and alternative lifestyles.
POINT BEING ... in Scouting, there was the concept of leaving a "Courtesy Woodpile." You know, leave the campsite better than you found it. At some of the more mature Boy Scout ranches (for those who know what PHILMONT was all about ... ) you would leave enough dry wood, kindling, tinder ... so that the next group of hikers, who like you were a weeks hike from base camp, would be able to get the dinner fire going even if it was pouring rain that day.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:55 AM   #179
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I just cut down the largest tree next to my campsite then spend the whole first day cutting it up with a very loud chain saw and log splitter. I then sell it to the campers at just under the price the campground sells it. If anyone tries to come and take some while I'm still occupying the campsite, I chase them away with crossbow. Just before I leave, I take the remaining leftovers and throw them way out in the woods or in the water.
Sounds like you are having a fantasy moment....I camp in the woods with plenty of deadfall and I cut up DEAD down trees and use them for a campfire, not standing timber in as much as I own the timber and the land I camp on. I split logs manually btw., an I only cut what I use during the time I'm there because when I camp again I can cut more.

Other than my fire spot and tire tracks in the grass, you cannot tell I was there. I leave it like I found it, always.

I don't stay in a campground...ever. I look at staying in a campground like staying home with neighbors, why do it. I can 'camp' in my backyard just as easily, my 'backyard' is 40 acres.

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Think the original post was not necessarily about someone collecting the wood that was left to use it at the campground. Was about collecting all the wood and leaving. Big difference. When I leave wood I leave it for someone to use at the campground, not take home.

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