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Old 11-23-2013, 11:32 AM   #11
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:45 PM   #12
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Thank you all for your replies. I am finding out that the problems are on the heavy weight 5th wheels, I myself have a light but not sure if they are effected.
It's not just the Open Range but I have heard of Forest River, and Montana as well, not sure of the models on the last two.
I have a two year warranty and the first year is up but I will keep an eye on things, agains thanks.
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:03 PM   #13
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Just a thought/suggestion, but has anyone thought about setting up a mobile UltraSonic or Eddy Current lab and offer the service to FW and TT owners?

Whether your unit has or is showing cracks or an unit owner wants piece of mind, this might be a nice side line business - I'm certain some of you could learn how to perform UltraSonic or EC inspections or perhaps already know how to do it or do it already.

Just a thought and you shouldn't have to worry about some old noisy FAA inspector coming around asking to see your certification certificates.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:31 PM   #14
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Just a thought/suggestion, but has anyone thought about setting up a mobile UltraSonic or Eddy Current lab and offer the service to FW and TT owners?

Whether your unit has or is showing cracks or an unit owner wants piece of mind, this might be a nice side line business - I'm certain some of you could learn how to perform UltraSonic or EC inspections or perhaps already know how to do it or do it already.

Just a thought and you shouldn't have to worry about some old noisy FAA inspector coming around asking to see your certification certificates.
B47 that is a great idea. Eddy Current is how we test and check the integrity of the tubes in our chillers, if there is a crack in the tube and/or at the tube sheet we know it right a way.
On some jobs x-rays of weld joint are part of quality control and are required as part of the inspection.
Correct me if I am wrong but a big part of RV problems are lack of regulations, I have heard this from a few of the Tech's that work in the RV shops.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:42 PM   #15
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B47 that is a great idea. Eddy Current is how we test and check the integrity of the tubes in our chillers, if there is a crack in the tube and/or at the tube sheet we know it right a way.
On some jobs x-rays of weld joint are part of quality control and are required as part of the inspection.
Correct me if I am wrong but a big part of RV problems are lack of regulations, I have heard this from a few of the Tech's that work in the RV shops.
As B47 posted, it would be a side line business, but it is certainly not practical on a production line operation such as rv's. It is a diagnostic tool like x-ray and magnafluxing.
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B47 that is a great idea. Eddy Current is how we test and check the integrity of the tubes in our chillers, if there is a crack in the tube and/or at the tube sheet we know it right a way.
On some jobs x-rays of weld joint are part of quality control and are required as part of the inspection.
Correct me if I am wrong but a big part of RV problems are lack of regulations, I have heard this from a few of the Tech's that work in the RV shops.
Thanks - as far as lack of regulations being a big part of RV problems, I'm not speaking for anyone else, but IMO the lack of Quality Control and Quality Assurance, if done in the manner that the FAA requires the U.S. Airlines and repair facilities to do it ( which is the background that I refer to), would go a long way in preventing a lot of RV problems we hear about here.

It would be nice IMO if the RV industry and manufacturers would adapt some sort of industry QC and QA standards ( some might say they already have such standards,but if they do, it's not working as good as it should).
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Thanks - as far as lack of regulations being a big part of RV problems, I'm not speaking for anyone else, but IMO the lack of Quality Control and Quality Assurance, if done in the manner that the FAA requires the U.S. Airlines and repair facilities to do it ( which is the background that I refer to), would go a long way in preventing a lot of RV problems we hear about here.

It would be nice IMO if the RV industry and manufacturers would adapt some sort of industry QC and QA standards ( some might say they already have such standards,but if they do, it's not working as good as it should).
Keep in mind, if they had the same regulations as required for airlines, none of us, or very few could afford them.
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As B47 posted, it would be a side line business, but it is certainly not practical on a production line operation such as rv's. It is a diagnostic tool like x-ray and magnafluxing.
Don't know why it couldn't be used in RV production. After all, eddy current and ultrasonic are both Non Destructive Inspection processes and we all know what Non Destructive means.

Not sure, but I bet Boeing uses many types of NDI as part of their QC and QA programs.
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Keep in mind, if they had the same regulations as required for airlines, none of us, or very few could afford them.
A valid agreement that is used all the time. However for the purpose of this discussion,do you think that the RV owner that discovers cracks in his FW king pin area is not wondering why the manufacturer is using such cheap materials in his product?
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Don't know why it couldn't be used in RV production. After all, eddy current and ultrasonic are both Non Destructive Inspection processes and we all know what Non Destructive means.

Not sure, but I bet Boeing uses many types of NDI as part of their QC and QA programs.
Boeing doesn't produce 37 frames in 8 hrs either. I am very familiar with the both tests and they are not practical in rv production methods and are far too expensive time wise.
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