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Old 11-27-2013, 09:02 PM   #21
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Boeing doesn't produce 37 frames in 8 hrs either. I am very familiar with the both tests and they are not practical in rv production methods and are far too expensive time wise.
I won't argue the points here,but I dis-agree with you on several points here.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:13 PM   #22
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As B47 posted, it would be a side line business, but it is certainly not practical on a production line operation such as rv's. It is a diagnostic tool like x-ray and magnafluxing.
Yes I understand this would work as a side business, and on a production line it is out of the question, but I just wanted to point out the benefits and to ensure a more warm and fuzzy feeling about the manufacturing of such a major component of the RV if it could be done.
The only problem I see with a diagnostic tool is that it is needed when a problem has developed but not to prevent a problem from being past on like, when you sign the papers then having to deal with it. This is the way of the world I guess.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:40 PM   #23
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Thanks - as far as lack of regulations being a big part of RV problems, I'm not speaking for anyone else, but IMO the lack of Quality Control and Quality Assurance, if done in the manner that the FAA requires the U.S. Airlines and repair facilities to do it ( which is the background that I refer to), would go a long way in preventing a lot of RV problems we hear about here.

It would be nice IMO if the RV industry and manufacturers would adapt some sort of industry QC and QA standards ( some might say they already have such standards,but if they do, it's not working as good as it should).
QC in the rv industry ..... its really not all that good...Oh lets be honest ....That job not getting done!
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:45 PM   #24
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37 frames in 8 hours with no QC does not seem like a great achievement, how many car bodies are put together in 8 hours and have constant QC, we should be interested in how much each unit costs to produce and how much of that is labour because QC is a labour cost and once implemented will become less.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:45 PM   #25
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Yes I understand this would work as a side business, and on a production line it is out of the question, but I just wanted to point out the benefits and to ensure a more warm and fuzzy feeling about the manufacturing of such a major component of the RV if it could be done.
The only problem I see with a diagnostic tool is that it is needed when a problem has developed but not to prevent a problem from being past on like, when you sign the papers then having to deal with it. This is the way of the world I guess.

The core and purpose of a Quality Control program is to ensure that a component or unit is being produced in accordance with (IAW) approved plans with approved materials and within the approved specifications.

The core and purpose of a Quality Assurance program is to ensure that the finished product that was produced under an QC program is,in fact, within its specifications and performs it's intended function - also conforms to Form,Fit, and Function.

What I'm saying here is any manufacturer, such as FR, could fit both a QA and QC program into its manufacturing process - such as making sure refrig fans don't squeal or the tires meets all specs - to ensure that both it's products and those supplied by its vendors meet certain standards before the RV rolls out the door.

There's much more to QA and QC than what I said here, but it could be done by FR.
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The core and purpose of a Quality Control program is to ensure that a component or unit is being produced in accordance with (IAW) approved plans with approved materials and within the approved specifications.

The core and purpose of a Quality Assurance program is to ensure that the finished product that was produced under an QC program is,in fact, within its specifications and performs it's intended function - also conforms to Form,Fit, and Function.

What I'm saying here is any manufacturer, such as FR, could fit both a QA and QC program into its manufacturing process - such as making sure refrig fans don't squeal or the tires meets all specs - to ensure that both it's products and those supplied by its vendors meet certain standards before the RV rolls out the door.

There's much more to QA and QC than what I said here, but it could be done by FR.
Well put!!
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Well put!!
Thanks - as a Plant Manager,you may have a good idea of what QA and QC means.
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FR has that, it is just not to the rigid standards most of us in other industries have worked with nor could we afford their products if they were to our previous standards. Most of the major problems are with supplier products. Better receiving inspections are definitely needed for appliances, but there again, it comes with a cost. For the total number of FR products sold, I would guess they are not much difference with other mass produced items. Our automobiles sure have their share of problems also, note the amount of warranty work done at dealers, recalls, etc. I don't believe the auto mfgs even inspect tires to verify they meet specs as suggested.
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Just a thought/suggestion, but has anyone thought about setting up a mobile UltraSonic or Eddy Current lab and offer the service to FW and TT owners?

Whether your unit has or is showing cracks or an unit owner wants piece of mind, this might be a nice side line business - I'm certain some of you could learn how to perform UltraSonic or EC inspections or perhaps already know how to do it or do it already.

Just a thought and you shouldn't have to worry about some old noisy FAA inspector coming around asking to see your certification certificates.
Side line business, NOT ME, too much liability attached after the testing all looks good the customer has a receipt and/or certification from you goes out and pops a frame weld being stupid or whatever and your wrapped up in a lawsuit.
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Side line business, NOT ME, too much liability attached after the testing all looks good the customer has a receipt and/or certification from you goes out and pops a frame weld being stupid or whatever and your wrapped up in a lawsuit.
Yes that's something a person would have to consider.
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