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Old 11-27-2013, 11:21 PM   #31
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It's an answer to his statement: "I am hearing that all RV Manufactures are having issues with Lippert frames on 5th wheels."

Seems clear enough to me. The statement is false.
But you're not a "manufacturer" are you?
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:29 PM   #32
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FR has that, it is just not to the rigid standards most of us in other industries have worked with nor could we afford their products if they were to our previous standards. Most of the major problems are with supplier products. Better receiving inspections are definitely needed for appliances, but there again, it comes with a cost. For the total number of FR products sold, I would guess they are not much difference with other mass produced items. Our automobiles sure have their share of problems also, note the amount of warranty work done at dealers, recalls, etc. I don't believe the auto mfgs even inspect tires to verify they meet specs as suggested.
Rigid standards?? its not even half way decent imo. I think there putting the effort in but there just not very good at qa or qc. I wish my RV had the same quality as my Chevy truck, 0 trips in for warranty work. Some of the things I have seen first hand Im stunned by. I have become numb to shoddy workmanship / things that were installed broke /over screwing somethings and others no screws at all on and on.
Maybe its the people on the shop floor that just dont care if its broke or dont work its a job.
But its the RV industry ... there doing the best they can?? They can do better!
Maybe some foreign competition would make thing better. Worked for the auto industry in the 70's -80's
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:19 AM   #33
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I am happy with the quality of my trailer maybe it is just me. I think what everyone needs to remember that you bought a vehicle and a house, a house that gets shaken around for thousand of miles. I pretty much do the same amount of maintenance and repair on my trailer as I do on my house. I guess I just expect that. I do believe that there are horror stories but overall the people I have talked with at campground and on the road, people are happy with their RV's. Could the quality be better sure but that adds $$$$ and weight. Maybe if we can get more people to buy RV's then when can have our RV's built by robotics as our vehicles are now. Because before robotics the quality of vehicles sucked. Robotics do not have a bad day on the assembly line.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:49 AM   #34
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Food for thought, don't the fractures display "after" the stress of towing come after the sale? Sometimes way after? Maybe inspections can be applied at set periods. Visiual indications or dye penetrant are simple and inexpensive and very conclusive. Eddy current and UT are very effective but require equipment and operators. In all cases access to the structure is the biggest hurdle.
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I am happy with the quality of my trailer maybe it is just me. I think what everyone needs to remember that you bought a vehicle and a house, a house that gets shaken around for thousand of miles. I pretty much do the same amount of maintenance and repair on my trailer as I do on my house. I guess I just expect that. I do believe that there are horror stories but overall the people I have talked with at campground and on the road, people are happy with their RV's. Could the quality be better sure but that adds $$$$ and weight. Maybe if we can get more people to buy RV's then when can have our RV's built by robotics as our vehicles are now. Because before robotics the quality of vehicles sucked. Robotics do not have a bad day on the assembly line.
Think of the $$$ they could save doing the simple things right the 1st time at the factory.
Im fine with the normal maintenance, its shape of things when it leaves the factory that has huge room for improvement.
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Old 11-28-2013, 10:23 AM   #36
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Think of the $$$ they could save doing the simple things right the 1st time at the factory.
Im fine with the normal maintenance, its shape of things when it leaves the factory that has huge room for improvement.
The frame problems, if any, would not be found until after the units have been subjected to being towed and to get into the structure requires major disassembly of the trailer. It's just not as easy as you imply.
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The frame problems, if any, would not be found until after the units have been subjected to being towed and to get into the structure requires major disassembly of the trailer. It's just not as easy as you imply.
I went with the hijack of things into general over all $$,qc and qa. Thats what that post was in reply too.(camper1999post)

Frames would be a tough one for sure.
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Would be an interesting experiment to see what the average person is willing to pay for "quality". Take 3-4 trailers of the same model with the same features, but varying degrees of build quality. Say the top end is built entirely by 4 top craftsmen, using top notch materials, who at the end sign their name on the build sheet and the unit runs through rigorous testing and comes with an extensive guarantee. On the other end, we have a unit, built on a line, using temps with no training, the cheapest possible products, absolutely no testing or QC at any time. The middle ground is a mixture of build quality, materials, testing, and price. For those who are paying 25k for a unit now, would you pay 50, 75, or 100k for the same knowing you got better materials, builds, and guarantees? If so, these units are out there, they are custom built, and they come with a price tag. Could, and possibly should, some things be better? Yes. Different brands within FR have different qualities about them, along with a different price associated. We have to remember they are building for the masses, and not for the individual, that job lies with a custom builder. When I took a factory tour, and saw what went into building these units from the ground up, I was impressed. I'm comfortable in knowing, that I got what I paid for. We can't expect a "built to order" Maserati Quattroporte, when we purchase a Chevrolet Malibu.
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Would be an interesting experiment to see what the average person is willing to pay for "quality". Take 3-4 trailers of the same model with the same features, but varying degrees of build quality. Say the top end is built entirely by 4 top craftsmen, using top notch materials, who at the end sign their name on the build sheet and the unit runs through rigorous testing and comes with an extensive guarantee. On the other end, we have a unit, built on a line, using temps with no training, the cheapest possible products, absolutely no testing or QC at any time. The middle ground is a mixture of build quality, materials, testing, and price. For those who are paying 25k for a unit now, would you pay 50, 75, or 100k for the same knowing you got better materials, builds, and guarantees? If so, these units are out there, they are custom built, and they come with a price tag. Could, and possibly should, some things be better? Yes. Different brands within FR have different qualities about them, along with a different price associated. We have to remember they are building for the masses, and not for the individual, that job lies with a custom builder. When I took a factory tour, and saw what went into building these units from the ground up, I was impressed. I'm comfortable in knowing, that I got what I paid for. We can't expect a "built to order" Maserati Quattroporte, when we purchase a Chevrolet Malibu.
Very well stated AquaMan. Ya'll did good!
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Very well stated AquaMan. Ya'll did good!
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