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Old 07-01-2018, 06:08 AM   #21
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"THIS" doesn't work.
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:37 AM   #22
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I would be very careful about digging holes in a national park for a grounding rod. Rangers would probably not like it.
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:45 AM   #23
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NO, I'm saying the link "THIS" doesn't open.
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:54 AM   #24
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NO, I'm saying the link "THIS" doesn't open.





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Old 07-01-2018, 12:05 PM   #25
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Forget about grounds for any type of portable generator. That's all just legalize.
Years ago I was fined by OSHA for not having a ground rod on a 5,000 watt generator that one of my employees was using at a job site. If the generator had been less than 5,000 watts, it wouldn’t have required a ground, per OSHA rules. The initial fine was $8,500.00, but I was able to get it reduced to $3,000.00. My solution was to get rid of that generator — didn’t ever need 5,000 watts anyways.

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Old 07-01-2018, 12:19 PM   #26
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Years ago I was fined by OSHA for not having a ground rod on a 5,000 watt generator that one of my employees was using at a job site. If the generator had been less than 5,000 watts, it wouldn’t have required a ground, per OSHA rules. The initial fine was $8,500.00, but I was able to get it reduced to $3,000.00. My solution was to get rid of that generator — didn’t ever need 5,000 watts anyways.

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Aren't OSHA inspectors great. Every one of them is trying to make sure they have job security based on the number of dollars they generate in fines.

Saw an instance where one of their inspectors fined a Tire Dealer that had a fan on a tall stand in the showroom to make his customers more comfy in summer months. The fan was 5-6 feet off the floor. Inspector carefully measured the gap in the "grille" that covered the moving blades then deemed them too large. Told dealer that a toddler could stick his hand in and be injured. Dealer asked the inspector when the last time he'd seen a toddler tall enough to reach that high.

It wouldn't be so bad if the inspectors all worked from the same page in the rule book but each one seems to have a different interpretation of the same rules.

As for grounding portable generators, they don't work the same way as conventional power distribution. The EARTH is not used as one path for the electricity as is the case with commercial power plants. The neutral lead in a portable is isolated from the earth where in a commercial system neutral is fed to earth ground and only one wire is used to transmit power to distant locations.
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:52 PM   #27
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Years ago I was fined by OSHA for not having a ground rod on a 5,000 watt generator that one of my employees was using at a job site. If the generator had been less than 5,000 watts, it wouldn’t have required a ground, per OSHA rules. The initial fine was $8,500.00, but I was able to get it reduced to $3,000.00. My solution was to get rid of that generator — didn’t ever need 5,000 watts anyways.

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I would be interested in knowing OSHA's "logic" in using a ground rod. I suspect that it is based on some form of ignorance on their part. Surprise, surprise.

1. Using a ground rod can actually increase the possibility of electrocution.
See at least the first 10 minutes of this video:https://youtu.be/qNZC782SzAQ

2. In an RV application, failing to provide a ground to neutral bond at the generator (if it lacks one) will defeat the inherent fault protection of bonding.
SEE THIS:Generator Ground-Neutral Bonding | No~Shock~Zone
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Old 07-01-2018, 11:56 PM   #28
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Cavie, his post with the arrows pointing up on each side of the word "this",






means the same as yours when you do this:
thank you. I am no longer confused
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:10 AM   #29
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Years ago I was fined by OSHA for not having a ground rod on a 5,000 watt generator that one of my employees was using at a job site. If the generator had been less than 5,000 watts, it wouldn’t have required a ground, per OSHA rules. The initial fine was $8,500.00, but I was able to get it reduced to $3,000.00. My solution was to get rid of that generator — didn’t ever need 5,000 watts anyways.



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I think that situation is totally different than a rv setup. You had employees , and they are the ones that OSHA is looking out for.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:54 AM   #30
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I think that situation is totally different than a rv setup. You had employees , and they are the ones that OSHA is looking out for.
You are 100% correct. OSHA has its place and has, I’m sure, saved many lives and injuries due to their rules and guidelines to protect employees from careless employers, but why not require a ground rod on a 3,500 watt generator? Why, only on those 5,000 watts and higher? The rules may be different now as this happened around 1998.

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Here are the current OSHA guidelines. Perhaps they are the same as before, but they don’t mention a specific wattage. Maybe my problem was that the generator was in the bed of a truck and not sitting with the frame on the ground.

https://www.osha.gov/OshDoc/data_Hur...generator.html


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