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Old 06-01-2016, 10:32 PM   #1
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Half ton towable fifth wheels? OR NOT

So the wife and I went RV shopping yesterday. We originally went out looking for a vibe with a rear entertainment setup but didn't have any luck in our area. We then went to a dealer in Burlington WI and the salesman mentioned that they make half ton towables. I looked at him funny and said no way. They're to heavy. He brought me to a unit that was 28 feet long and only weighed about 7400 pounds dry. The unit was awesome on the inside and i got excited.
I went home and did my research and realized it's a bunch of BS. The hitch weight on almost all of the "half ton" towable fifth wheels are around 1400 pounds. My 14 Ram 1500 sport only has a payload of just over 1400 pounds. How the hell can they clam that it's a half ton towable. Add 2 people, 2 pets, gear, and gas. It's well over 1400 pounds with all of those factors.

Anyone else have this experience?
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:44 PM   #2
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Pretty common!

Besides that what is the gvw on the trailer?

You'll almost ALWAYS run out of payload before anything!


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Old 06-01-2016, 10:51 PM   #3
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Yep. It's kind of like saying my Corvette will get 50 mpg....as long as I don't use the gas pedal and roll downhill. Strictly speaking, the newer trucks with upwards of 1600 lb payload and 10K lb tow ratings work just fine...totally empty. If you want to stay within all of the ratings it's nearly impossible. It can be done (and safely if you take precautions) with some trade offs.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:25 PM   #4
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From what I've seen, rear kitchen floorplan models like the Rockwood 8280WS have the lightest pin weights but they would still require a properly equipped 1/2 ton. It's definitely a challenge to find a combo that will be within specs when fully loaded. Many forum members are towing "28 foot" (32' actual) 5ers like the Rockwood 8289WS with 1/2 tons and claim no problems. I'm not convinced that a typical 7000# - 7200# GVWR 1/2 ton is suitable for most "1/2 ton towable" 5ers especially if you have more than 2 people in the truck. Pulling is not a problem, payload is.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:34 PM   #5
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This is our truck, made to order for the 8289WS;

2016 Ford F-150 XLT 4X4 SuperCab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost,
163.7" Wheelbase 3.73 Axle
Max. towing package; 11400
HD payload package; 2710
GCWR 17100
GVWR 7850 / GVW 5320*
FGAWR 3750
RGAWR 4800 / RAW 2200*
CCC 2642 (yellow door sticker)
*actual CAT scale weights (w/full tank of gas)
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:38 PM   #6
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This is our truck, made to order for the 8289WS;


HD payload package; 2710
GCWR 17100
GVWR 7850 / GVW 5320*
FGAWR 3750
RGAWR 4800 / RAW 2200*
CCC 2642 (yellow door sticker)
*actual CAT scale weights (w/full tank of gas)
At that point it kinda stops being a 1/2 ton
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:41 PM   #7
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What I don't understand is why those who own a 1/2 ton want to push the limits of their breaks, transmission, rear end, etc., etc, etc by towing something that is light by todays standards but non the less pretty darn heavy!
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I looked at "1/2 ton 5ers" and found most had a pin weight that ate nearly every ounce of payload. There were some in the 1000# - 1200# that would work in many, not all 1/2 ton trucks. I did find 2 with a pin under 1000. The F150 with max payload option will handle more than most others. Saving that weight, pin and GVW came with much I was unwilling to give up. All were either too small, too lightly constructed, plastic about everywher, and etc,
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:48 PM   #9
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This is our truck, made to order for the 8289WS;

2016 Ford F-150 XLT 4X4 SuperCab, 3.5L V6 Ecoboost,
163.7" Wheelbase 3.73 Axle
Max. towing package; 11400
HD payload package; 2710
GCWR 17100
GVWR 7850 / GVW 5320*
FGAWR 3750
RGAWR 4800 / RAW 2200*
CCC 2642 (yellow door sticker)
*actual CAT scale weights (w/full tank of gas)
How is that working? Mileage?
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This is what I hauled with my 2011 Ecoboost (2012 Salem) 27RKSS and

the 5th wheel I haul with my 2013 Ecoboost XTR. Sundance 31.5 XLT bunkhouse no issues on either account

Airbag suspension on both trucks was used.
I haul with water tanks and grey/black tanks empty and fill them when we land.

mileage 18 to 20 litres (Canadian) per 100 kms on the 11 Ecoboost with the tag along and
24 to 28 with the 13XTR hauling the 5th wheel.

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