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Old 08-21-2018, 11:53 AM   #1
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Angry Has this ever happened to you???

In all our years of camping we have never experienced this. We recently went to a state campground in the Adirondacks (NY). You must be off the site by 11:00 am on your last day and the check in time for new arrivals is Noon. We arrived at 12:15 ...We traveled over 4 hours to get there early enough that we could enjoy the great weather and go kayaking. We filled out water tank and headed off to our site. We got there about 12:30 and our site was still occupied with a tent and screen tent but nobody was around!! Back to the gate we went. Only one person was there and he had to leave the office to go check it out. He went to the beach and the weren't there so when he came back he tried calling their phone....which was disconnected!!! He didn't know what else to do as they aren't allowed to touch their stuff and remove it from the site. He finally found a site we could move to which wasn't anywhere as nice as the site I had reserved! Or we could sit and wait for them to return. After over 2 hours of sitting on the roadside we decided we had better move to other site they offered as it was now 3:40 pm. We didn't put out our slide and only the minimum of camp equipment to get us through the night. A park employee came around and told us that there is a process they need to go through to remove the people and it first included contacting the Forest Ranger who then would contact the state police so would be a long process. The next morning around 10:00 we drove by the site and it was empty....So they must have come back in the middle of the night and packed up and left!!! We know nobody was around yet around 11 pm because we met a couple who was camped close by to our site and said no one was around on their last trip to the restrooms which were close by our original site. So we eventually got our site and the only thing that may have happened to the people who stayed late was they may be charged an extra night...a whole $22!!! It seems that people are breaking all the camp rules more and more as there are no repercussions. Some people run generators whenever they want regardless of the allowed time frames...party and play loud music past quiet time of 10 pm and leave their dogs unattended to bark all day while they're gone. Also I had to sign a paper when I arrived stating the rules for the known bear activity. One of the rules is to keep coolers out of sight. LOTS of sites had coolers left out with nobody around and vehicles gone. The park employee said they used to be able to remove coolers and the people would have to come retrieve them...but park employees are no longer allowed to do that either!!! So sad that a hobby we LOVE is slowly being ruined by so many inconsiderate people.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:00 PM   #2
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Everyone is entitled now to do what they want when they want to. At least that's what they think. No more respecting rules. Rules are for others not them!
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:02 PM   #3
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While the rangers may have rules preventing them from touching their stuff, I don't. I would have carefully removed the offending items to an area by the road where they could retrieve them easily and set up my camper in the spot I reserved. An hour and a half past checkout time is really pushing it. This technique may not be for everyone. Some people do not do 'conflict' well. I do.

It may very well be that they ran into some sort of issue preventing them from getting back in time to break down their camp. It happens. In that case, treating their items gently when moving them (not just tossing them off the site) would be appropriate, and probably appreciated. If they were just selfish jerks and want to get mouthy, then tell them to take it up with the ranger.

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Old 08-21-2018, 12:16 PM   #4
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Yes, I had to sit 2.5 hours past my check in time in the parking lot in the middle of summer at Huntington Beach State Park in South Carolina because of knuckleheads like that. The park attendant told me there were no other sites for me to switch to, and no compensation or apology was offered by anyone for my inconvenience. BTW, it's a minimum ten hour drive for me to get there.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:55 PM   #5
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Here in Ontario at the Provincial Parks they will ticket the offender, here is the actual wording of said charge;
Fail to vacate and remove property from campsite on permit expiry
Cost of fine is $75Cdn.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:15 PM   #6
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We asked the ranger what would happen if we moved their stuff and he said they would probably have us arrested !!!(not the rangers...the people who were on the site) I have to agree that there are a lot of people who feel entitled now. And I like the idea of fines!! New York loves to tax people and rake in the money...this would be a real moneymaker for them if they had to enforce any of the said broken rules!!!
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Seeing this happen more and more, I'm so glad we found our acreage and cabin this summer. The trailer will go up there for friends and relatives that wish to visit while we're there. Peace...quite...just us and relaxation.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:36 PM   #8
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For What??

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We asked the ranger what would happen if we moved their stuff and he said they would probably have us arrested !!!(not the rangers...the people who were on the site) I have to agree that there are a lot of people who feel entitled now. And I like the idea of fines!! New York loves to tax people and rake in the money...this would be a real moneymaker for them if they had to enforce any of the said broken rules!!!
As a newly retired Police Officer (31 years) I'd really like to know what they'd have you arrested for. No theft, vandalism, burglary, trespassing, etc. It's the overdue campers that are subject to arrest, if anything. Once your time is up, you're trespassing if you don't move. Do you simply get to keep a rental car after the rental period...stay in your motel room without paying...??
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:10 PM   #9
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Cooler removed

At Elkmont campground in the Smoky Mountain National Park once my cooler was taken and I had to pay a $75 fine to get it back. So some parks are still on the guard.
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:35 PM   #10
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I understand people could have an issue for not being off their site(what that might be - I don't know, as I'm packing up to leave the last day in the morning).


I've been camping in Ontario Parks for more than 25 years and have only once had a person still on the site when I arrived and it was an elderly widow trying to hook up her trailer. delayed me 5 minutes - not a worry.

The ones that overstay their time and have no respect for others are a POS and should dragged off their site and fined.
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