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Old 06-10-2010, 10:53 PM   #21
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I must be missing something. I don't think the issue here was about how "big" a tow vehicle or trailer you have. Rather, I think it is about whether a tow vehicle and trailer are a safe match for their potential use, as Chap says. Tow anything you want, with anything you want to tow with. But know and consider all of the factors involved, and don't have a combination that will potentially get you or somebody else killed. As we all know, there are several factors besides the numbers for the TV and TT that affect safety - like wheelbase, hitch, sway control, loading, etc.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:16 PM   #22
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Some of us just have questions!

I asked the question earlier that probably got the initial poster all riled up. I don't think asking questions of experienced rvers is so bad. At work I tow with a 3/4 Cummins all the time. Most times the trailers are pretty light so I haven't worried about it too much. I was just wondering how close EXPERIENCED rvers run trucks to the max towing. I go to RV salesmen and they tell me my truck can go 8600 to 9000 which I know is wrong. I have a known limit on my truck and I thought I would come here for a little help. I don't plan on going over my max towing limit-in my post I am more so trying to find out how close I can SAFELY go. I guess what I should do is just by the camper-hook it up to my truck-find out my truck can't pull it-and then buy a new truck. Or maybe I could just ask a few questions on a forum.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:42 PM   #23
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WOW, this is starting to sound like "WHICH OIL IS BEST".
Two things: if you want to learn from those that have been there, hang around. If you're looking for justification for an "unsafe" set up, go somewhere else. I have found most of the people on here give great advice and recommendations. Most are willing to research your tow vehicle and trailer to see if any of the numbers come up one "safe" side of life. Whether they are concerned for tour safety or their own, you have to be the judge. We all share the road, and I don't any of us wants to see anybody get hurt with an unsafe set up, much less tie up traffic we're trying to get through. Id you think you have been handed a wrong answer on here, do the research yourself, and prove us wrong! ENUF SAID.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:52 PM   #24
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That's the thing. I don't think I've been handed the wrong answer. Everything that I was told made sense to me and I've decided to look at a smaller camper. I was told that it would be really close but I should be alright(and I appreciate the answer). Well I decided I don't want to push it. I've got a wife and 3 kids and pushing it is not an option. The advice a received was exactly what I was looking for. I knew all the facts going in, asked a few questions about weight when stocking a trailer and came to a conclusion. Kind of thought that's what these boards were for.
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:16 AM   #25
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I didn't buy my F-250 (max tow rating 9,700 lbs) for more power, it has the same 5.4 V8 that my F-150 (max tow rating 8,000 lbs) had. I bought it for the stability it gives me while towing my loaded 7,800 lb, 34' trailer (GVWR 8,058 lbs).
I drive between 60 and 65 mph without any problems. High winds, rain, passing semi's, unexpected stops, the truck handles everything just fine. I couldn't say that about the F-150.
The information I read on this forum led me to believe the F-250 was the best choice in my situation and the F-250 may be a little overkill, but I would rather have too much truck than not enough.
I don't believe everyone has to have a 3/4 ton truck as a tow vehicle, but I do believe that if you are close to your max numbers (GVWR, GCWR, Max Tow Rating, etc....) your not going to have a very good or safe towing experience, especially in adverse conditions.
Oh yeah, 90% of our camping trips are to a state park less than 20 miles from my house. When I was looking for a new truck I told my wife, "I don't care if I'm towing 200 miles or 20 miles, I want to do it safely."
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:12 AM   #26
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Being a drag racer, I have seen some wild tow deals over the years. Vehicles that had no business pulling a 30 foot box come in with the front wheels barely touching the ground sometimes! And then you hear the stories of how they made the trip, but their hindparts were cinched the entire trip. But guess what, they'll do it again next week too.

I sometimes think that they figure if the trailer tongue will fit the ball on the hitch, then they are good to go. I once watched a guy towing down the road with a 5th wheel mounted to a F-150. Not sure who sold him that deal, but the guy was sawing away at the steering wheel, and I was thinking I would be wore out within a 100 miles.

The latest one I noticed was a guy towing a 24-28 foot box with the ball mounted to the bumper on his pickup truck. The bumper was already bending down at a 45 degree angle, but he didn't seem to be bothered by it. All I know to do is give them a lot of room and hope nothing happens to them.
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:32 AM   #27
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Chasracer:

You illustrate my point exactly. My rant was not aimed at an individual here, it was not aimed at new people asking questions, it isn't about "everyone should just by an F350", it isn't about a single type of TV or trailer.

This is about an attitude. A way of thinking that I just can't wrap my brain around or condone which is: It's O.K. to be unsafe as long as I am only towing on flat ground or within 3 hours of home.

Some here in this discussion have read way too much into it.

Like I said originally. Safety starts in the driveway.

Everyone is free to pull what ever they want with whatever they've got as there are no regulations however I just pray to god that no one here is in the way of some of the people you have described when everything goes down the toilet.

To me it's just like drunk driving. Sure you made it home 30 times in a row, but sooner or later the odds are that your going to wrap it around a tree!
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:48 PM   #28
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Chasracer:

You illustrate my point exactly. My rant was not aimed at an individual here, it was not aimed at new people asking questions, it isn't about "everyone should just by an F350", it isn't about a single type of TV or trailer.

This is about an attitude. A way of thinking that I just can't wrap my brain around or condone which is: It's O.K. to be unsafe as long as I am only towing on flat ground or within 3 hours of home.

Some here in this discussion have read way too much into it.

Like I said originally. Safety starts in the driveway.

Everyone is free to pull what ever they want with whatever they've got as there are no regulations however I just pray to god that no one here is in the way of some of the people you have described when everything goes down the toilet.

To me it's just like drunk driving. Sure you made it home 30 times in a row, but sooner or later the odds are that your going to wrap it around a tree!
Couldn't agree with you more. I've worked with a few individuals that bend the elbow a bit too much and then brag about how they got home. It only takes ONE time and someone can end up dead. It's just not worth the risk. I just hope and pray that no one here ever has to be involved in an accident with any of the Risk Takers. Have a great weekend and be safe!
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Couldn't agree with you more. I've worked with a few individuals that bend the elbow a bit too much and then brag about how they got home. It only takes ONE time and someone can end up dead. It's just not worth the risk. I just hope and pray that no one here ever has to be involved in an accident with any of the Risk Takers. Have a great weekend and be safe!
I recently saw a person towing with a minivan... the wrong way. No W.D., no sway control, hitch almost dragging on the ground, stopped eating at a Harvey's restaurant with a baby, a toddler and his wife.

Everything was wrong about his setup. I hope they made it home. I wanted to educate him but I'm not sure how I would approach a complete stranger and point out the risks he was taking...

I can only hope that the MTO or police would pull him over for an unsafe vehicle. Not all that likely, I've saw this several times in the past few years.
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:08 PM   #30
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Saftey is #1 no matter If you are heading out for a 10 mile trip or a 1,000 mile trip and if you are not using the proper equipment it will catch up to you. There is no amount of money that can replace life and if you choose this rout and have no and respect for other on the road then you are part of the problem not part of the solution. Rather then spend lets say $10,000 more for the right tow vehicle for the next 2 or 3 hour trip you could looses every thing you have work for over the span of your life and I am sure it would be more the $10,000 bucks up to this point, and not only this but have the death of another traveler burned in your brain and haunt you. An accident is an accident but when the accident is cause by using improper equipment there is NO excuse. Get educated an use the right equipment.
I am sorry but this puts my panties in a bunch because I am on the road with everone else, It's one thing being a newbie and trying to find out the correct way to do things and that's why we are here on this forum to help, but knowingly doing the wrong thing........that's it I can't say any more.
NWJeeper, you are right on and so is everyone else that has followed your lead.
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