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Old 08-23-2015, 02:49 PM   #31
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We're full timers presently living in central Texas and I spiral wrap a pipe heater line that I got from The Home Depot around my white water hose. It heats up at something like 35 degrees and turns off at about 45. Our Windjammer is protected underneath to 9 degrees.
What all did you do or have done to protect the (Underbelly) to (9 Degrees)?? Youroo!!
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Old 08-23-2015, 03:15 PM   #32
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Have spent winters in a Cardinal 5th wheel in both Kansas City and St. Louis. Weeks of below freezing temperatures. My suggestions on freezing temperatures are:

Disconnect and drain water hose. I did that until I was able to get an electrical heating cord to wrap the hose. This was a no-brainer. Less obvious is the fact that the gray and black water valves will freeze up and leave you unable to dump for extended periods.

Never had a problem from the drain exposure. I doubt it will freeze if the water tank is above freezing. Heat conducts from tank to exposed tube.

While away a couple weeks at Christmas one year, propane ran out, wife had cut off the electric heaters I usually left on as backup, and the entire coach froze solid, including a 70 gallon water tank. Only thing that ruptured were the plastic water traps on the sinks.

I live in North Louisiana, usual lows in mid-20s and my only prep for winter storage is to set thermostat on electric heaters at 55 and open the cabinets to expose interior sink plumbing. Water tanks (not heated) never freeze under these conditions. HOWEVER, I had a water filter canister and water pump fitting in the utility bay rupture due to freeze up.

Finally, not relevant to an overnight freeze, but while wintering in Kansas City, had the door lock ice up and freeze locked. Took about an hour of hair dryer on the lock before I was able to leave for work. They make a lock deicer to prevent this, but at the time, had no idea there was such an item.
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Old 08-23-2015, 04:12 PM   #33
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You are 100% correct, I still want to know where it say's that a Cedar Creek is 4 seasons as stated above in another post?....

It says all season, there is only four, it does not say three season. It use to say four season but I think C/C toned it down some


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Old 08-23-2015, 04:23 PM   #34
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this is all I found on the web site under options: Seen nothing that say's 4 seasons ready

"Enclosed and insulated underbelly with 12 volt heating pads on all holding tanks (R38)" This also on there site NOTE :"When storing your recreational vehicle through periods of freezing weather in an unheated environment, it will be necessary to winterize the water system. Damage to the water system components will result if the proper winterization steps are not taken.
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They are talking about storing the camper, my Cedar Creek is not stored, I use camper every month, I go at least once a month, cold or not. Last year it was cold in NC and my 30RL Cedar Creek did not freeze up, I keep heat on it all the time. I have it hooked up to a 100 gal LP tank. But this Cedar Creek is built a little different. It has to get down to below twenty for me to give it much thought


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Old 08-23-2015, 04:44 PM   #35
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Spock..I also camp every month here in NC but don't have the setup at home like you. I end up winterizing 3 or 4 times a year but only takes 10 minutes. Winter camping rocks, and we've never had a problem, even without heated tanks.
Your setup at home sounds perfect.
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You have no worries at all. 28F for a quick low is nothing. It will not freeze.

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Old 08-23-2015, 05:04 PM   #37
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I camped in 08 in Yellowstone in a Keystone Springdale travel trailer and snow was two feet high in early June, I don't know how cold it got but nothing froze, it snowed the three nights we were in Canyon Campground. It was FUN


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Old 08-23-2015, 05:31 PM   #38
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As long as it warms up to the mid 40's during the day you'll be fine. rockfordroo was right, if you want water first thing in the morning drain that hose.
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Old 08-23-2015, 05:35 PM   #39
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Youroo,,,,,the underbelly is sealed off and the owner's info packet states the unit is safe down to 9 degrees if we use the furnace instead of space heaters,,,,We also turn on the tank heaters,,,,all three of them.....and since we're full timers,,,that's not a problem.
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It says all season, there is only four, it does not say three season. It use to say four season but I think C/C toned it down some


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That could be true I do not doubt you but STILL FR> doesn't make a true 4 season TT. Like Artic, I can camp down to zero, but I have to take precautions, If I had a artic I wouldn't have that problem. I don't care what div. you buy from at FR they will tell you that it is 3 seasons construction but with prep you can take the cold weather. like a heated hose, tank heaters and hot air blowing from your furnace in the belly. That is still 3 season not 4 season. You would run out of propane in two days...
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