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Old 08-26-2015, 08:23 PM   #131
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I am surprised it made it this long. Kinda harsh and rude.
I do not think it is harsh or rude. As a forum member and leo I find it interesting to see what people take is on these things. It is also interesting to see the things people believe as true because they heard a rumor.. Or had a friend who knew a guy who had a friend... LOL


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Old 08-26-2015, 08:44 PM   #132
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The police may search my RV anytime. I have nothing to hide and am proud to support our law enforcement officers. I am just grateful that these fine men and women are out there protecting me while the media and the trash make it difficult, dangerous and unappreciated for them to do their jobs.
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Old 08-26-2015, 08:47 PM   #133
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I do not think it is harsh or rude. As a forum member and leo I find it interesting to see what people take is on these things. It is also interesting to see the things people believe as true because they heard a rumor.. Or had a friend who knew a guy who had a friend... LOL

Now the post above you, a bit bellow the belt but the mods are monitoring I am sure...

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Doc73 I was referring to the shut up remark. We can disagree but no need to be rude.
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Old 08-26-2015, 08:48 PM   #134
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No no no no no no

Always always always be very respectful with any police officer but please realize they are highly trained and if you are not an attorney you are not.

If they are asking they do not have the right. Never give an officer permission to search anything make them go through the legal process and get an attorney immediately to represent you.
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My wife and I had what we thought was an unreasonable delay when crossing into canada about a month ago at the Soo in mi.I pull up to the booth and kill the motor because the 7.3 is a straight thru system and its hard to hear anyone thats 3 feet away from the truck.I present a folder with passports,birth certificates,insurance info,registration,dog shot records,baisicly everything we could possibly need.He looks at the passports,ignors everything else and asks all the usual questions twice,gets the same answer twice.He then asks if either of us has ever been fingerprinted,I say no. He hands the folder back,and puts on latex gloves and asks for our drivers licenses.I hand them over and am told to pull up to the turn out area and wait.A female officer comes over to the truck and again asks for our pasports and has the latex gloves. We are told to follow her to the"building on our right". my wife asks if we both need to come because it is about 95 degrees out and my truck ac doesnt work.She says we cant leave the dogs in the truck w/o windows down and cant run them all the way down for fear of an injury while they would try to get out.The "officer" tells my wife to just leave the dogs and come with me. the wife says we cant leave them in this kind of heat,the "officer" just shrugs her shoulders and walks twoard the building.We get in the building,are told to "sit" and we wait for about a half hr.She comes back out and asks if either of us has ever been arrested to which I reply "no".She hands back our ID's and flops her hand at us and says "go". At no time did anyone look at the truck or toyhauler or even mention it.It was like we walked in and were walking out.This took a bit over two hrs and we left.Now as you can see in my avitar,I dont LOOK like my buissiness man (even though I was, and damn good at it).I had my cut off jeans , sleeveles black tee and a sweat band that I wear to keep my hair out of my eyes when driveing with the widows down.I am 100% sure that they ran whatever prints I left on the ID's I handed them and were REALLY pissed off because they could find nothing.

Just our latest experience while going to Canada.
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Old 08-26-2015, 08:59 PM   #136
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Not law in PA, not sure who told you that. As I said, it is recommended sometimes to avoid trouble depending on circumstance but not big trouble (you prob mean arrest). If it was a PA Sheriff they are not police so I would not necessarily trust everything they provide. Most cops do not know many of the gun laws either though... They are a bit convoluted and change constantly. I try to keep up and I do not even get half of them. When they change they usually take up to a year to get the new info out to us..
Thanks for the updated information, doc. I'm not sure if it's like this in every county, but here in Luzerne, the issuing authority is the Sheriff's office. I'm thinking that I will continue to present it to them if pulled over anyway. I think it goes a long way towards putting the officer at ease, knowing that you've gone through the permitting process and the background check.

Still no-go on the search, though...
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First time ever stopped by US Border Patrol this past July, I have never been stopped beyond the 1st inspection point in my entire life. They were looking for more than eggs and chicken.The scan for heat signature through the RV and must have seen something odd.

Only choice I had was to allow this happen, I am a visitor in the US and must abide by the law of the land. As far as a roadside stop if I encounter such I have no way to plead the 5th and would allow police to do a search if requested.

I have traveled world wide any many a time had inspections of either luggage or tool boxes.

A relevant comment I must share reading a lot of people feel it is their right to take what they want to Canada and getting mad when searched and having fire arms confiscated. That is our law much the same as California might take my lettuce and oranges at the state border to protect their agriculture.

Respect goes a long way.
Just to help you understand our 5th amenment rights here. People do not have 5th amendment rights, unless they are told, or they reasonably believe they are suspected of a criminal act. Simply asking the officer this basic question, will keep you informed of the situation in the instant.

If the line of questioning by the officer, not border patrol, is meant to obtain general information, based on the purpose of the stop, the person being asked does not have 5th amenment rights. Believe me, most americans don't know that either.
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Unless they produce a warrant, don't allow them to search. Further, do not talk to them.
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Just to help you understand our 5th amenment rights here. People do not have 5th amendment rights, unless they are told, or they reasonably believe they are suspected of a criminal act. Simply asking the officer this basic question, will keep you informed of the situation in the instant.

If the line of questioning by the officer, not border patrol, is meant to obtain general information, based on the purpose of the stop, the person being asked does not have 5th amenment rights. Believe me, most americans don't know that either.
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Old 08-26-2015, 09:16 PM   #140
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Doc73 I was referring to the shut up remark. We can disagree but no need to be rude.
Sorry, misunderstood, yes that was rude I agree... I thought you meant the thread as a whole. My misunderstanding, sorry.
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