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Old 08-26-2015, 09:24 PM   #141
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No problem Doc. This type of thread is up there with religious and political threads. Lots of misunderstanding and lots of rude comments. For what end? I am not sure we learned much here today. LEO's should be respected and u certainly do. I also think that there is a tremendous amount of attitude that LEO's give off. Almost a cocky us against the world attitude. I see it often in casual friends that are LEO's. I think I understand why but I also believe it harms their reputation.
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Old 08-26-2015, 09:27 PM   #142
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Thanks for the updated information, doc. I'm not sure if it's like this in every county, but here in Luzerne, the issuing authority is the Sheriff's office. I'm thinking that I will continue to present it to them if pulled over anyway. I think it goes a long way towards putting the officer at ease, knowing that you've gone through the permitting process and the background check.

Still no-go on the search, though...
The sheriff is always the issuing authority for CCP in PA, they are the highest ranking ELECTED LEO in the county, as with the District Attorney. In PA the Sheriff, however, has been reduced to a simple servant of the court system and to handle civil issues. I think it is a disgrace but that is what the law makers do..

PA also has a preemption law that does not allow any law to restrict or supersede a state law so Luzerne County can not make their own law for example to make you inform the officer. There is a big fat asterisks though... City's of the First Class (Only Philadelphia at this point, used to include Pittsburgh) CAN make their own ordinance and law for guns as long as they follow a few rules when making them.

All that being said, I encounter legally armed persons all the time, we are pretty rural still west of where I am. I look at their info confirm they are not wanted and have a license (better if they have a CCP) thank them for being a good guy and send them off. But that is just me.
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Old 08-26-2015, 09:31 PM   #143
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No problem Doc. This type of thread is up there with religious and political threads. Lots of misunderstanding and lots of rude comments. For what end? I am not sure we learned much here today. LEO's should be respected and u certainly do. I also think that there is a tremendous amount of attitude that LEO's give off. Almost a cocky us against the world attitude. I see it often in casual friends that are LEO's. I think I understand why but I also believe it harms their reputation.
I will agree with the attitude, at times. But I think you can see just how people "feel" about "us" and with that we can all see the attitude that we get all the time from some folks. Most people do not call me to thank us for helping them. We either see them for an emergency (medical, criminal or such) or we are dealing with the 1% of the population 99% of the time who hate us (because they are criminals). The other 99% of the good people will never see us, meet us or even know who we are (unless you get nabbed on a car stop for a traffic violation). The traffic stop can go many ways and can be a whole nother can o worms!
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Old 08-26-2015, 09:36 PM   #144
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I am a Deputy in Florida I am speaking for Florida law and 4th amendment rights you do not have to let Law Enforcement search your vehicle. The exception is if the officer sees in plain view or smells something suspicious. If something in plain sight is seen you will be removed from the vehicle and search it. If he smells something he will likely have a K-9 search if the dog hits on the vehicle then he has probable cause. and can and will search it. Other than that a warrant is required. It's unlikely that will occur in an RV.


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I was a police officer so here goes. If we ask you, you do NOT have to let us. If we see you or a passenger trying to conceal something under the seat, etc., your vehicle WILL be searched. If we see something out in plain view in your vehicle or camper that is illegal, then it WILL be searched. If you are arrested, your vehicle and camper WILL be searched.
That's a lot of if's ex.
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That's a lot of if's ex.
Yeah it is...

Here, Concealing or making "furtive movements" will get the area in your control searched (area that you can reach) nothing more.

Plain view will get seized, warrant to search the rest (plain view items can be used for the PC)

If arrested we no longer have a search incident to arrest. Need to have a warrant and PC to do the whole car.

See how different it can be.. very confusing at times.
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in canada the cops can only hold you on the side of the road for a certain time period before they are breaking the law themselfs
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The only problem I've had was crossing the Ambassador Bridge into Windsor, Canada from Detroit, MI. The Canadian Border Officers had us pull over to an inspection area, and went through our truck and trailer completely, going through drawers and cabinets. They claimed they had a report of a vehicle like ours carrying guns. I did not have any guns. I had a CCW, Shelby County, TN Sheriff's Deputy ID & Badge, but it didn't make any difference. I knew Canada's rules, growing up in Michigan, so I didn't bring any firearms. They even went through my wife's, daughter's and her friend's purses. The only thing they found was some pepper spray in one of the purses, which they took.

We had planned to camp in Canada, they have some really nice campgrounds, but when we had this experience, we turned around and camped in Michigan. We had done this many times in the past, camp in Canada spend time there plus visit with family & friends in Michigan.

The only suggestion I have is be careful if your plan to go out of the US.
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The only problem I've had was crossing the Ambassador Bridge into Windsor, Canada from Detroit, MI. The Canadian Border Officers had us pull over to an inspection area, and went through our truck and trailer completely, going through drawers and cabinets. They claimed they had a report of a vehicle like ours carrying guns. I did not have any guns. I had a CCW, Shelby County, TN Sheriff's Deputy ID & Badge, but it didn't make any difference. I knew Canada's rules, growing up in Michigan, so I didn't bring any firearms. They even went through my wife's, daughter's and her friend's purses. The only thing they found was some pepper spray in one of the purses, which they took.

We had planned to camp in Canada, they have some really nice campgrounds, but when we had this experience, we turned around and camped in Michigan. We had done this many times in the past, camp in Canada spend time there plus visit with family & friends in Michigan.

The only suggestion I have is be careful if your plan to go out of the US.
Made me laugh (not at you) but about 15 years ago, before the border closed to needing a passport my girlfriend (now wife) and I had our popup pulled by my 1999 TJ Jeep. We were staying in Erie, a few hours from Niagara Falls. Girlfriend had never been there so we made a road trip (8 or so hours from our home base). We came to the border at Niagra Falls (Rainbow Bridge maybe????) and the Canadian border officer gets our papers. He asked where we were from. We told him PA he asked how long we would be in Canada. Not thinking I say just a few hours... LOL

His face is like and wants to know where all our stuff is and why we would be coming from 8hrs away for a few hours!! LOL They let us in and I was SHOCKED we did not get the rubber glove..
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I'm not hiding anything, so what makes the difference? Why antagonize them? Let 'em search and go on your way.

I would like to know where everyone gets their law degree at....
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