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Old 08-28-2015, 01:58 PM   #191
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I get it from your view points the mistrust in many people.

How many in this forum have served their country as Military?
How many in foreign lands?

When we talk of distrust of authorities, I have to keep in mind that the majority of our and your LEO's are law abiding citizens doing a job and want to get home at the end of the day to their families.

we are so blessed in both countries to have laws enacted to protect us against - sometimes ourselves...
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have you been to Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, where speaking your mind results in you and your family ends in torture, rape and murders, often carried out by corrupt police.

how about working in a job where your co-worker the next day you are off and they are not, level the building because they were a radical member of some resistance group.

I have...

the national police I worked with in Afcrapistan walked away form traffic control points because being paid to growing drugs by the cartel was more profitable than the 2$ a day the government was paying them to be moral law abiding citizens.

We installed banking machines for their pay to come out of so that their chief of police would not take his 60% cut out of their wages.

When the officer down the street on the road block asks to check my trailer and I am entitled to ask on what grounds (reason for the search) and if they respond with routine check... I respond with there is no such thing as a routine search much like there is no such thing as a routine patrol. That I've had 8 buddies of mine killed on what media labelled a routine patrol or shift.

4 LEO's and 4 infantry members.

I have all my paperwork in order, have nothing illegal in or on my person or vehicles/trailers therefore i am pretty sure in most cases that the officer is not out to so called frame me for something.


I maybe the odd retired LEO out there but i've seen bad cops and bad laws and feared for my life while doing my job.
Thanks for your service to your country. I have 33 years in le and did a year in iraq, supposedly training Iraqi police. I know what you mean about dealing with them in foreign, 3rd world countries. On a mission one day, we stopped at a local police station. They had 3 uniformed officers locked up, with their other prisoners, including suspected terrorists. I was proud thinking they caught some terrorists sympathizers within their department. Nope. The three officers were late for work and were being punished. What idiots! Makes you appreciate the professionals we have at home.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:01 PM   #192
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Yes thank you for your service, and all the military folks here. I have very few regrets in my life. One was never serving. Thank you and be safe..

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Old 08-29-2015, 10:21 AM   #193
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Just read about this case on RVTravel.
No warrantless searches for me. But as I said earlier, I respect and admire our enforcement officers. As you read, notice the 2 year time frame.
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Old 08-29-2015, 10:43 AM   #194
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Yeah, that sounds like a bad search there... Money and property will sometimes be seized without a crime being charge. Depending on the circumstances you can have the person sign a paper saying it is not theirs and give it up as abandoned property. This is used, generally, when it is found hidden in a car bumper for example... Or in a roof liner (obviously being smuggled). My guess they may have done the same or similar with the rver.. Which I am supposed he would sign. If tested 95% of money in Circulation would test positive for drugs.

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Old 08-29-2015, 12:45 PM   #195
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I understand people wanting to protect their rights and all, but what exactly are you protecting when your stopped for a simple ticket and all the officer IS ACTUALLY interested in is just writing you the ticket and then going to lunch (99.999% of those stops are just this). This idea that you need to resist and fight the whole way will probably only ever do one thing, guarantee you do get a ticket on a stop instead of a warning.
I truly think the majority of police officers are "good" people and do not abuse their power. The thing is.. if it is a simple ticket stop, then why should a cop ask to search your vehicle (I've never been searched or asked to be)? I believe it is more about protecting yourself against the 1 bad one in the crowd who like to abuse or overuse their power. It's pretty simple in my eyes.. if I didn't do anything wrong (besides a possible motor vehicle citation), you have no reason to search or even ask to search my vehicle.

When asked "where are you heading to", I've always politely answered because I have nothing to hide and sometimes like to just have a conversation. But again, it is none of their business and we have no reason to tell them where we are going or what we are doing.

Perfect example.. my father had quad heart bypass surgury.. my wife and I with my 2 girls were heading over to see him for the first time.. we were running late and I ran a red light (damn yellow light switched fast lol). Got pulled over, told the cop where I was going, admitted what I did wrong when asked "do you know why I stopped you" (boy what a loaded question that is).. told him why, admitted I was wrong and he let me go with a warning. Even stated to him AFTER he gave me the warning "I'm sure you hear all kinds of excuses every day but just so you know, I really am headed to the hospital (and showed him 2 get well cards). He responded, "I didn't think you were making it up and believed you when you told me".

The fact is IMO, if they are asking to have the vehicle searched, they have nothing on you and are just looking to find something. IF they have something on you already, they don't need permission. So it goes back to, if they ask, say NO.

Just my $0.02.. or by now, maybe $0.03.
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So they seize the guy's RV including everything in it, including his cellphone, then in the middle of the Nevada desert, the police tell him that he is free to go.

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Just saw on TV this morning a police officer was just shot and died in a gas station for no reason at all. He was just getting done filling his police cruiser up. What is wrong with this world anymore. Like I said thanks and bless all these officers we have....
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Concerning a border situation, Customs can search at the border of functional equivalent of the border with an articulate fact. They don't need probable cause. As for a roadside stop they can run a dog outside the vehicles without probable cause. If the dog hits, they can hold the vehicles until they get a warrant. There is something else called the Carrol Doctrine, which gives them the right to search if they believe evidence may be destroyed before they can obtain a warrant.
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Just saw on TV this morning a police officer was just shot and died in a gas station for no reason at all. He was just getting done filling his police cruiser up. What is wrong with this world anymore. Like I said thanks and bless all these officers we have....
Yes - down in Houston. I recently read that 5 law enforcement officers have been killed in Louisana in the last couple months while on duty.

It is sad that this apparent wholesale assault on police is going on. I hope everyone comes to their senses very soon and realizes no good can or will come from these senseless murders - both on police and innocent citizens.
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And yet there are no riots or civil disorder to seek justice for their deaths.. It's just their job...

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