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Old 08-26-2015, 10:50 AM   #51
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I have learned not to volunteer information to LEO. If I am involved in a traffic accident I don't volunteer any information to anyone, I call 911 and when the LEO gets there I show him my license and insurance and the only one I tell what happened is my insurance agent. I know there are good cops out there just as there are bad ones but since I can't look inside there head and see which one I got, I just treat them all the same just like they are all bad. They are not going to search my truck or camper without a warrant. If they search it they had better leave it like they find it, there is no drugs in my camper. Now there might be some beer, wine or Jack Dan in the frig


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Old 08-26-2015, 10:52 AM   #52
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you have JD in the fridge?
that's well worth a LEO going to jail for unwarranted search and seizure....
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I just retired from 30 years of Law Enforcement this past January. The laws are different for each state. Here in N.C. We can ask to search but if you refuse we would need a search warrant to search. Ok, being a officer this may shock some of you but if ask to search; I would say no. Ok Ok, wait before you start throwing doughnuts. LOL. Seriously though I have a good reason for my statement. Officers are people and sadly enough there are good honest ones that spend their career doing their best to help serve and protect. BUT, there are also bad ones that stain the whole community of brother hood of officers. We had an officer years ago that was actually investigated and convicted of planting drugs in people's vehicles to up his arrest record. He also was doing other things that I don't even want to talk about. So there are good officers and there are bad ones. If I were ever ask to search my vehicle or camper. I would not allow it. I on the other hand I would explain my reason for it. But as a citizen we all have rights to safe gard our property. I wish I could say; if you don't have anything to hide why would you refuse. That use to be my mentality as a young officer years ago but life isn't always fair or sometimes just and sometimes a bad apple slips through the system. Lastly though I will say that the majority of officers I've been able to work side by side with during my career would give their life to protect a stranger and work each day to protect and serve to their best ability.
happy retirement. in Canada we went healthy - we don't eat doughnuts any-more we eat bagels.

and I agree the good cops far outweigh the bad ones. unless you're in Mexico.
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Old 08-26-2015, 10:58 AM   #54
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I'm not hiding anything, so what makes the difference? Why antagonize them? Let 'em search and go on your way.
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If they wanted to search I would think they would tell you what they were looking for. If you said no to the search I believe they could hold you till they get a warrant, the warrant would be specific as to what they were looking for. Guess I would tell them to have at it.

I think that the tone dictates the outcome of the "stop and search", if any needed. Some people just don't "click" when encountering LEO, they immediately become offensive just for being stopped. Which I understand living in this hectic world, as we do.

And then to the flip side, unfortunately there are those LEO who have Power Struggles within themselves. Which I also understand.

I have been stopped twice in my 40 years of driving due to mistaken identity of vehicles. And I was even stopped at the Canadian Border and searched. Protocol there. I have nothing to hide. I am law abiding "old school" citizen. I will let them search as long as I know there is some sort of respect involved. If not, then that's another story.
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I have learned not to volunteer information to LEO. If I am involved in a traffic accident I don't volunteer any information to anyone, I call 911 and when the LEO gets there I show him my license and insurance and the only one I tell what happened is my insurance agent. I know there are good cops out there just as there are bad ones but since I can't look inside there head and see which one I got, I just treat them all the same just like they are all bad.
This reasoning makes me shake my head. What if the LEO has the same thought? "I know there are good citizens out there just as there are bad ones but since I can't look inside their head and see which one I got, I just treat them all the same just like they are all bad."
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This reasoning makes me shake my head. What if the LEO has the same thought? "I know there are good citizens out there just as there are bad ones but since I can't look inside their head and see which one I got, I just treat them all the same just like they are all bad."
I shook my head as well... People complain we treat them badly, like they are all bad people and that it not right... But then say they treat us badly because we are all bad.. Guess it is a one way street.

I have been on the job now 10 years. been doing some sort of service to my community since 14 as a volunteer fireman. I have enjoyed every second of my job, never worked a day in my life so they say when you love your job..

Does not matter what you do you will never please them all... But that does not mean I will stop trying.


A friend sent me this video the other day about brutality. Not searching per say, but the idea that we all all roving bands of misfits is just not reality:
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No but also consideration would be taken as to what the circumstances are concerning the issue at hand. Later RJD
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I have learned not to volunteer information to LEO. If I am involved in a traffic accident I don't volunteer any information to anyone, I call 911 and when the LEO gets there I show him my license and insurance and the only one I tell what happened is my insurance agent.


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This makes absolutely no sense at all.

If I had felt the way you do when I was hit on the passengers side of my truck years ago by a woman trying pass me on the wrong side of a merging lane, and then telling the LEO it was MY FAULT, then I deserve what I would have gotten. I would have been stuck paying to fix the repairs.

In the end, the woman that hit me had Insurance that was pending from an Insurance Co. that she had just signed with. The reason for the "pending" was due to the fact that she was in a previous accident ( insurance dumped here afterwards ) that was "her fault" as well. She couldn't afford to have another accident.

So let's try and tell the LEO it was the other persons fault.

Had I not spoke up, maybe she would have gotten away with it. But it was evident she was in the wrong. I'm not keeping my mouth shut when it's something this important. BUT, to each their own!
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As a retired Police Officer. I can say that there are no hard and fast answers to this interesting question.
The Courts have always lent more scrutiny in allowing Police officers as far as home searches then say vs a vehicle search. meaning that it would require a lot more probable cause to search a house vs. less probable cause to search say a vehicle. Each case is weighed on its own merit and interpretation.
When in doubt a warrant is always best, but not always required. There are things like whats called exigent circumstances etc. that weigh in the decision.
Plus there is always what is called "Consent to search". If you tell a Police Officer when he ask's "Can I search your home , RV, vehicle and you say yes. You have given consent. He / She does not need a warrant.
Plus keeping in mind that at a latter date a hearing can be given on the Officers "Right" to make that search. If the court rules it was not a proper or good search the evidence found can be excluded from trial or maybe cause a dismissal of charges. So there is no easy correct answer to this question. Every case and situation is different.
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Have a question even through you do not have to allow an officer to inspect your car or trailer without a warrant. When you get pulled over and the office ask for your Lic. and Reg. at that time should you also present your CCW to him so he know you are armed?
In some states you must tell the officer... Its a duty to inform
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