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Old 08-26-2015, 02:22 PM   #81
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Very few CDNS carry guns anyway, so you really shouldn't need to protect yourselves from us!
So how exactly do I protect myself from the 'very few' that choose to break the law and carry guns illegally?
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:23 PM   #82
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The police must have probable cause to want to search any vehicle and you have the right to say no at any time. However if they feel they do have probable cause they will hold you on the side of the road and get a warrant. This is not the same thing as a boarder crossing you have no say if your entering another country or California they just will not allow you to enter.
I apologize for posting again when I said that I would not and the Administrators can remove this if they wish.

We all need to have good information in anything that we do. Always be respectful to all LEOs. In the above post is a statement that may be taken out of context. The "you have the right to say NO at any time", may not be correct. If one gives implied or verbal consent to a search, at no time after that are you able to 'take that back' in order to say 'NO' any more. You gave up that Right of refusal when you first indicated a yes.

Be nice and respectful at all times and everyone will have a good day.
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:24 PM   #83
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As a former LEO, I would not consent to a search if asked.
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:33 PM   #84
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Funny, I was broken down on I81 in VA, a trooper stopped helped me Diagnose the problem and went on his way. Never checked License or Registration. Could have looked in the truck with windows down, but didn't.
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:40 PM   #85
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So how exactly do I protect myself from the 'very few' that choose to break the law and carry guns illegally?
Run fast!!!! Just Kidding.
The same way the rest of us CDNs do. We pay attention to our surroundings, avoid the bad parts of town at night, don't get involved with drugs/dealers, etc... Generally, if someone wants to rob you, give them what they want and they will not hurt you - then call the police. There are no guarantees you wont accidentally find yourself in a high-risk situation up here, as in any city in the world, however, our violent crime rates are far lower than almost any US city/region - mostly gang related and domestics. The chances of you needing to protect yourself from us are miniscule. Come visit, enjoy yourselves, and RELAX! We like Americans (and your dollar!).
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:45 PM   #86
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I'm happy to hear statements like this! The more people who avoid traveling to Texas because of rumors they've heard, the more likely we natives are to find an open camp site!

If a LEO wants to inspect my truck or trailer, I'll permit it. Maybe I can ask his/her opinion on using nitrogen in my tires and on keeping my refrigerator running on propane when I travel.

Is a "boarder" a person who pays to stay in a boarding house? Just wondering.

It's not just rumors. I love TX and spent most of the 80's there. We planned to spend last winter in S. TX but left after having to go through several border patrol checks. When asked where we are going and where we have been then having the dogs check us out. My wife was followed 20 miles from town to the CG but not stopped. Not a coincidence as this is not a direct route.
I understand what they are doing and know there are people trying to get drugs and people across the border. My decision was to leave as I have absolutely no desire to live like that. I would be more than happy to clog up camp sites in the rest of the beautiful state but will never go anywhere near the border again.
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I just retired from 30 years of Law Enforcement this past January. The laws are different for each state. Here in N.C. We can ask to search but if you refuse we would need a search warrant to search. Ok, being a officer this may shock some of you but if ask to search; I would say no. Ok Ok, wait before you start throwing doughnuts. LOL. Seriously though I have a good reason for my statement. Officers are people and sadly enough there are good honest ones that spend their career doing their best to help serve and protect. BUT, there are also bad ones that stain the whole community of brother hood of officers. We had an officer years ago that was actually investigated and convicted of planting drugs in people's vehicles to up his arrest record. He also was doing other things that I don't even want to talk about. So there are good officers and there are bad ones. If I were ever ask to search my vehicle or camper. I would not allow it. I on the other hand I would explain my reason for it. But as a citizen we all have rights to safe gard our property. I wish I could say; if you don't have anything to hide why would you refuse. That use to be my mentality as a young officer years ago but life isn't always fair or sometimes just and sometimes a bad apple slips through the system. Lastly though I will say that the majority of officers I've been able to work side by side with during my career would give their life to protect a stranger and work each day to protect and serve to their best ability.
Papa-T - your post is intriguing! Could you provide a script - from a LEO POV - of what to say when you courteously decline to have your RV or TV searched?
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It's not just rumors. I love TX and spent most of the 80's there. We planned to spend last winter in S. TX but left after having to go through several border patrol checks. When asked where we are going and where we have been then having the dogs check us out. My wife was followed 20 miles from town to the CG but not stopped. Not a coincidence as this is not a direct route.
I understand what they are doing and know there are people trying to get drugs and people across the border. My decision was to leave as I have absolutely no desire to live like that. I would be more than happy to clog up camp sites in the rest of the beautiful state but will never go anywhere near the border again.
Curious which part of South Texas, which campground were you trying to visit?
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IMO, it's just not worth the hassle. Nothing will be gained and antagonizing LE is a good way to make it lead something worse. Most LE will tell you that no one can drive down the street very far without violating some regulation or law. Turn signal not on soon enough, equipment malfunction, weaving, etc, LE can find something if they want to.

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Old 08-26-2015, 03:26 PM   #90
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Remember the Fourth ammendment protects everyone from " UNREASONABLE search and seizure" Key word unreasonable. It does not say just search and seizure.

Interseting article :

http://www.marxrv.com/skp/4thamendment.htm
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