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Old 04-21-2019, 04:31 AM   #1
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Living in the 5er while house gets rennovated

We've been living in the 5er on the drive way for the last two weeks, we pulled all the carpet out and are having porcelain wood look tile installed.

Other then having to replace water pump (check valve was stuck) 5er is working out good.




I had a 50 amp outlet installed on my shop, Buddy of mine charge me $100.



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Old 04-21-2019, 05:10 AM   #2
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We've been living in the 5er on the drive way for the last two weeks, we pulled all the carpet out and are having porcelain wood look tile installed.

Other then having to replace water pump (check valve was stuck) 5er is working out good.




I had a 50 amp outlet installed on my shop, Buddy of mine charge me $100.



If the 50 amp breaker is on the top right of that panel, DO NOT plug you RV into it!. 50 amp RV is 2 hots, 1 neutral, and 1 ground. 240 volts. He has use only 3 wires. Black and white are wired as hots. White is supposed to be neutral. You need anothere black or a red. You have no neutral to your RV! That set up would be fine for a welder or a compressor, but not for your RV. Also the are no romex connectors in the holes where the wires enter the box. I'll repeat, DO NOT plug your RV into that outlet.


I don't understand why your EMS didn't alert you to this problem unless you have not turned on the breaker with it plugged in.

I love that floor. Best of both worlds.
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I think that is the inside sub panel, but you are correct on the way it should be wired. I think that is his EMS hanging there on the outside box will that stop the power if is wired incorrectly? I don't know just a question might be a saver there.
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Use of some box connectors to protect the cables/wires as they leave/enter the sub panel would be nice to see(required by code). If anything ever happens inspectors look for missing things like that as possible causes of fires. There are some that can be installed after the wire has been installed.

The white wire used on the second left of the two pole breaker with two small pieces of black tape should be completely covered with tape or use of some marker to identify it as not being used as a neutral. I am only guessing but suspect that breaker is feeding outlet to the lower left of sub-panel, which should be installed into a proper junction box.

Not sure which breaker, maybe not from this sub-panel, is feeding outside RV outlet but none of the wires on the single pole breakers are rated for 30 amp so a little bit concerning.

Would suggest having wiring inspected by second qualified electrician to ensure all is safe and in order.

Just my 2 cents but your safety and all who live there are at risk.
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Sure hope your buddy knows that RV 50amp different than a house set up. Hope you check it out first before trying. Later RJD
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I think that is the inside sub panel, but you are correct on the way it should be wired. I think that is his EMS hanging there on the outside box will that stop the power if is wired incorrectly? I don't know just a question might be a saver there.
Yes, if it is wired as I think it is the EMS will not let it work. BUT It should have indicated miswiring if he turned on the breaker.
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Yes, if it is wired as I think it is the EMS will not let it work. BUT It should have indicated miswiring if he turned on the breaker.
Okay thanks, I thought it would.
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Use of some box connectors to protect the cables/wires as they leave/enter the sub panel would be nice to see(required by code). If anything ever happens inspectors look for missing things like that as possible causes of fires. There are some that can be installed after the wire has been installed.

The white wire used on the second left of the two pole breaker with two small pieces of black tape should be completely covered with tape or use of some marker to identify it as not being used as a neutral. I am only guessing but suspect that breaker is feeding outlet to the lower left of sub-panel, which should be installed into a proper junction box.

Not sure which breaker, maybe not from this sub-panel, is feeding outside RV outlet but none of the wires on the single pole breakers are rated for 30 amp so a little bit concerning.

Would suggest having wiring inspected by second qualified electrician to ensure all is safe and in order.

Just my 2 cents but your safety and all who live there are at risk.
OP stated that he paid $100.00 for his buddy to install a 50 amp circuit for the RV. I can only assume that the rubber cord is #8 as it is hard to tell in the picture. 1st per code since 2006 you cannot reidentify anything #8 and below. Yes this is a sub panel wired correctly although sloppily. With the neutral being used as a hot wire tells me the guy used 8/3 so or sjo or some such (3 wires) rubber cord to feed a 4 wire outlet!

Now, on the other hand if it is #10 on a 50 amp breaker, it is unsafe just for that reason also. If it is 30 amp it is VERY unsafe as it has 240 volts applied to the 120 volt outlet.! Again the EMS should catch all of this. There simply is no neutral in either case. Ems says 50 amp. I am CORNFUSED

The outlet on the lower left is a 3 wire dryer outlet in a single gang box. The cover is not on it. In my 45 years I never tried to stuff #10 wire into a single gang box with such a big outlet. That would be a 2 gang if I did it. I'll eat the extra $2.00 dollars to make this easier for me.
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I have no functional idea what you guys are talking about BUT respect and appreciate you are doing so for those who (think they) do. Another reason I love this forum.
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Next time your water pump's check valve fails, don't replace the pump.

Just get a $10 Camco brass check valve (Camping World or Walmart) and install it.

I paid $13 for mine out in the middle of Nowhere, New Mexico.

Better repair...much cheaper and easier to do...and will probably last as long as the camper does.
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