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Old 01-19-2015, 07:57 AM   #31
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davel1971 I believe you are on the same wave length that I am expressing. Perhaps geotex1 works in a design or engineering capacity thus the basis for his thinking. There are times that design workers blow it but frankly I think that is the exception...not the norm. However, when a worker installs duct work without tape or a door that does not open or close smoothly, that has nothing to do with design. Pride in your work is where the job falls apart. Once we acquire the unit and we begin "fixing things" that is the point where our concerns originate with workmanship. We can detect no air coming out of a living room vent...why can't a final assembly line walk thru inspect the quality of construction and send a unit back for re-work? The answer is they can if the pride of a job well done engrained in them by management. When the redo items appear in management reports, this should sound an alarm for them to get out of their plush chairs, stop counting their profits and walk the assembly lines. After a walk through asking questions of the workers top management should address their findings with their supervisors and other production control staff. This is management 101 not rocket science.

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Old 01-19-2015, 08:04 AM   #32
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It seems to me that the vast majority of RV industry leaders may have adopted one of the most ridiculous concepts ever conceived (IMO); "SELF INSPECTION". How can anyone do a job and then do the inspection on what he/she thinks is correct and find flaws? I always wanted someone else to check my work and point out my mistakes and then verify the rework was done correctly. With all the issues one has to encounter, no matter the manufacturer, it would not surprise me. Just a thought.

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Old 01-19-2015, 08:26 AM   #33
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After reading this thread and many others regarding workmanship and higher quality coming from the top down I think one force that can have a positive effect actually comes from the bottom up. Tight, strong, unyielding LEMON LAWS. It has been a positive force in the auto industry and it's high time it was applied to the RV industry. This would also have the positive effect of having a documented failure rate of a given model, manufacturer, plant, that would HAVE to be held accountable.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:34 AM   #34
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of course they made record profits, because they advertise great quality but when challenged they pass the buck, 5th wheel built feb 2013, I bought aug 2013 and took delivery sept2013, by nov 2013 had water intrusion through roof, dealer blames manufacturer and manufacturer blames dealer, meanwhile im left with over $65000 investment rotting with mold
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:44 AM   #35
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As a believer in researching products before purchase, ie Consumer Reports, I'm wondering why publications devoted to this lifestyle can not honestly evaluate the overall engineering/workmanship of these manufacturers. I think if they did, the CEO's would run, and not walk to their assembly lines if they want them to keep running!
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:52 AM   #36
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All these posts and i only know of one or two people that have or are currently talking to forest river managment about some of the things mentioned, and how to make it better for the customer.
Ependydad is working with some of the lines of FR with the management about how to make this better.
We can rant and rave on here all we want, but unless you work with the manuf. directly or calmly talk/work with them about handling this better, your wasting your time.
All this bashing may make you feel better, but it isn't going to solve a thing!
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We're at the point where we'll camp another season in our 2015 FR TT, and then I'm thinking seriously about looking at those vintage trailers that have been professionally rehab'd. They may cost more initially, but they have a lot of appeal and seem to have quality, modern materials and pride of workmanship. Who can forget those Shasta wings and wide whitewalls? Plus, we have a 21 year old pulling monster of a Suburban that I wouldn't trade for anything!
But, herein lies the problem. It will cost you SIGNIFICANTLY more money to do this than buy the equivalent RV. That is why we have issues on current TT etc. Want an 'automotive epiphany' well expect to pay for it.
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Old 01-19-2015, 10:05 AM   #38
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To Millertime and 5 Hole, I will expect to pay more and gladly do it for my piece of mind. As for all of this "bashing", I do believe that it will eventually do some good. These CEO's don't live in bubbles - they know what's going on, and that's what really bothers me, they don't seem to care right now. Over the long haul, they'll do what is good for their companies or they'll cease to exist.
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To Millertime and 5 Hole, I will expect to pay more and gladly do it for my piece of mind. As for all of this "bashing", I do believe that it will eventually do some good. These CEO's don't live in bubbles - they know what's going on, and that's what really bothers me, they don't seem to care right now. Over the long haul, they'll do what is good for their companies or they'll cease to exist.

In my opinion,Mathis thread comes up every 4-6 months and it is the same old story each time. I've never seen anyone come up with an active plan to affect change. No one has planned through a communication plan or a method of intentionally getting the RV industry's attention (or heck- even pro-consume legislation).

Until these threads morph from "how awful RV manufacturers are" to organizing a grassroots campaign, these threads are pointless wastes of time. Everyone gets to blow off some steam but then it starts to create divisiveness in the community.
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To the OP

99% of the people will agree with you and ask for improvement.
95% of the people will not support the theory when it comes time to use their pocket books.

There are very well made RVs out there, but they cost a lot more, and for the most part not half ton capable. This eliminates a huge market for manufacturers. The CEO of Thor and FR have a CEO for each brand, they are held to numbers and unfortunately or fortunately, which ever way you want to look at it, demand for a inexpensive, light weight trailer commands the market.

I spent 40k on my 5th wheel, which in today's market not a lot of money. The guy parked next to me spent closer to 90k. They are of almost the exact width, height and length, very similar features in both. His sits on triple axels and weight almost 4000pds more then mine. The exterior and interior finish is flawless. But that's what 50k More got him. His is 4 years old and looks like it just came off a lot.

Long and short, you get what you pay for. If you want quality people need to prove it and pay for it. The dealers are paid very well to be quality control for the manufacturer on theses rigs and I put failure on them. They prefer to skip the PDI, take the 1300 and pocket it, push your service out 3 months while you get your list together. This way when you come back it's warranty work and not a poor PDI.

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