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Old 05-22-2018, 06:09 PM   #1
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Newbie screws up big time

I just purchased a 2017 avenger ATI, 17QB. As far as Iím concerned, Forest River has some explaining to do . One of the many brochures state that the GVWR is 3941 with a dry weight of 3214 and cargo capacity of 727 Lbs. The weight certification on the TT indicated a dry of 1489 KG and cargo of 142 KG, along with water of 124 KG. Once the conversions are done we find out the cargo capacity is 313 #. Subtracting a full propane tank and battery leaves us with 226 lbs of stuff we can put into the trailer. To some that may be a lot, however we have reached our limit without loading any provisions.

I know many would say that includes a full tank of water (273#), and nobody ever carries, or has a need to carry that much. Possibly true, however shouldnít one expect to carry more than 226 pounds of stuff without the expense of water ? Why would Forest River even design a trailer like that ? In addition, there is no rear storage, all the storage is below and forward of the front bed. The weight of most of that storage (a good portion of the 226#) will be added to the hitch weight, and thus onto the GVWR of the tow vehicle.

I know in reality itís a small trailer and Iím probably expecting too much. Regardless, Iím really disappointed in the trailerís load capacity and not taking the time to understand everything involved. My guess by what I see on the road is that many do not. Of course out first trip is boon docking, so the amount of portable water is important. Shortly thereafter there will be a for sale advertisement in the locals.

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Old 05-22-2018, 06:21 PM   #2
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Yeah they're good at changing things up on the fly. They even put it in their brochure. Stinks and should not be allowed but it is. We carry full tanks all the time


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Old 05-22-2018, 06:24 PM   #3
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I doubt you'll receive an abundance of sympathy here since most members spend many, many hours of research and pouring through forum comments before even a small purchase.

That being said, load the wagon and don't worry about it!

Now the weight police can chime in with the opposing view. :-)

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Old 05-22-2018, 07:10 PM   #4
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I feel for you. Several years before we bought our 23IKSS, we were looking at hybrid travel trailers & had our heart set on a Jayco (can't recall the model). It was about a 17 footer, and we thought it was exactly what we wanted. And at the time, I had a Toyota minivan with what I thought was a 3,500 lb towing capacity, so we thought we could tow it. Well...our delay got postponed for several years for several reasons - bummer at at the time. The delay, however, forced us to take time to research "real" towing capacities (a lot of great info which came from this forum), and as part of that process, noticed a situation with our "chosen" camper similar to yours - there was VERY little cargo capacity in that thing. Look at it the wrong way and it would have been over the limits. In hindsight, the delay probably saved us a lot of heartache, frustration, and MONEY. :-(
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:30 PM   #5
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Can you post a picture of the labels on the side of the trailer ? Something doesn't line up. I suspect FR cheaped out on the tires and reduced the payload like they did on my trailer. I have a 3500 lbs axle but the tires are only good for 3200 lbs. Not an issue in my case because the axle only carries 2600 lbs according to the scale.
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:47 PM   #6
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Here's a pix of the label. Sorry if it's too big, I had a hard time trying to figure out how to post it.

Also thanks to all who have chimed in.
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:43 PM   #7
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Well it turns out my suspicion was wrong, the trailer has the correct tires for 3500 lbs axle load. Googled a bit and found a similar 17BH that is even worse with 251kg/553lbs of total cargo.
One minor inconsistency is that 1489+289=1778 and the bottom sticker says GVWR 1788 kg, so yay you can load 10 kg/22 lbs more....
Sorry there is no good solution. If possible weigh the whole rig and see what the actual trailer axle load is when loaded with everything. Worst case you might need to travel with little water and fill up close to or at the destination.
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Old 05-22-2018, 09:12 PM   #8
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Most people have no idea what their carrying capacity of their trailer is....especially if they want to carry fresh water.

You didn't make a rookie mistake. You'd have to look long and hard to find a rig with enough gross vehicle weight that allows you to carry your possessions and water. It's not just Forest River.

Sales people look at you like you're crazy when you ask to see the weight carrying capacity of a trailer/rig. Apparently people don't ask that question and only find out after they buy the rig. That's why you see a lot of the tow trucks/suvs loaded with possessions.
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X2. The dealers mostly either donít know...or worse donít care.

I was recently retro fitting an a/c system with R407C as a replacement for R-22. I asked the guy for some retrofit labels...he looked at me like I was crazy and said ďno one has ever asked for those?Ē I said thanks.
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Old 05-22-2018, 09:41 PM   #10
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Happy to find out I have the appropriate tires and 22 extra pounds. When we were shopping for a TT we had a lot of boxes to check. Unfortunately this one checked ALL the boxes so we took it not paying that much attention to the weights. It couldn't be that bad...Right ?

Hey Slowride not looking for sympathy just others with stories like mine and maybe an understanding of why and how could they. But far no weight police have posted, just the opposite. Look forward to more posts. Thanks again everyone.

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